Sure.

I can think of two types of approach to critters. A RPG one and a boardgame one.

In the rpg approach we can think of it all. Kinda-space whales, space-juggernauts, little energy feeders, etc.

In the boardgame approach I can think of three type of creatures:

Gigantic menaces: very hard-skinned creatures that prey in the deep aether.

Hoards: Gigantic baloon-like creatures that humanity learned to use. Aether ships can hoard it and defend it against other potences and gigantic menaces (see above).

School of small creatures: Bands of small creatures that can range from simply annoying to destructive.

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No way, sir, Vice-Admiral, sir!  :wink:

On the old joke, sorry, didn't get it... There must be a portuguese equivalent, but I can't find it. Care to explain?

  :?

Thanks, mr. Vice Admiral. It was enlighting what you wrote.

As for myself, I'm mortar and stone in this universe, so I'll pester you all a lot. Sorry.

One more thing that came to my mind: Critters. In this universe, the aether is a substance and the aether is cold, but must it be voided of life?

Can you please derive on that?

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Oh, my! No, sir, Vice Admiral, sir. I meant the hull of the lady, not the rigging!

big_smile

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Dear Mr. Daniel Kast and all the other developers of this wonderful set with the name of Iron Stars:

I, Blackronin, closely followed by my wife, my kid brother, two guinea pigs, quasi 2000 almost all painted miniature ships, several hundred (and some painted) 28mm fantasy and sf humanoid (and some not so much) miniatures, uncounted 1/72 plastic soldiers regrettably almost unpainted, are here all heartedly petitioning your excellency to clarify some points that are misty in this wonderful universe. So please carve in stone the very following:

a) Technology advancement will be steam oriented? None of the cold (and very nice to starmada) digital stuff. No atomic technology. No computers. No robots. Just steam golems and stuff with coal smell?  sad Yes, please?

b) Spacial expeditions will be 19th century-early 20th century orientated?  sad  Yes, please?

c) Tech will have an high point and will remain there, so that the story of earth will be more slow?  sad  Yes, please?

d) What are exactly the properties of all the machinery that moves the aetherships? So that we will kno where we stand.

e) When will mj12games release another book for this universe? Soon?  big_smile

We all thank your excellency in advance and are now sitted around a camp fire (the lead minis 4 foot away) waiting for your reply.

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March 1912. The Venus mission should have returned, yet, nothing. The Portuguese King is under assault by the republicans regarding his politics. Cab Verde is now under German control for 19 months.

Manuel de Arriaga, a Republican moderate is also being undermined on account of his friendship with the King. The Portuguese colonists in Mozambique that are leaning toward the Germans, helped by German agents, try a coup d'etat against the reformist colonial government. Blood is spilled. General João Martins de Carvalho attacks decisively the colonial pro-Germany Portuguese with the Cuanhamas troops. The pro-German colonist are defeated, but the price is another stain is the king's image.

Advised by his ministers the King implements two plans to improve portuguese image and his own. The liberation of Cab Verde and the assault to expel the Germans from German East Africa.

Two months after, in June of 1912, over the German fleet in the port of Mindelo, in Cab Verde, several Brazilian advanced military Zeppelins drop, during the night, two thousand Cuanhamas and Portuguese troops in a new invention called "softfall", a belt with a small cavorite system that lets a man fall slowly from the sky. Because of the atmospheric turmoil caused by these tiny belts, the Cuanhamas Special Forces start to call themselves "Whirlwind Warriors". The battle is fast and furious. After two hours, more than two hundred Portuguese troops are dead, but all the ships of the German fleet are in the hands of the Portuguese.

In German East Africa, a contingent of German African subjects, trained and commanded by the Leopard Men attack almost at the same time all the German settlements. By 1903, 4,700 Germans civilians were in Southwest Africa, enough Germans for an expansion that drove local people from their tribal lands. In 1904, the pastoral Herero and Nama peoples, who traditionally had warred against each other, rebelled against the Germans. German troops crushed the rebellion, killing local chieftains and one-third of the Nama nation. Five thousand Germans died in the war. Thousands of Hereros were driven into exile, and only one-third of the Herero people remained in Southwest Africa after the war. Still in 1912 there aren't more than six thousand Germans in German East Africa, and the attack kills almost two thousand men. At the very same time, Portugal gives independency to Mozambique. Mozambique offers to mediate conversations between Germany and the New Tanganya state. After a first denial to accept Mozambique as a nation, Germany accepts to retrieve German population through the Beira city port. After two months, and with famine and general chaos going on, the New Tanganya state pleads to become part of the Portuguese commonwealth. Brazil, Portugal, and Mozambique accept this with reluctance. Germany declares war to Portugal.

In 12 February of 1913, an ultra-nationalist, advocate of Portugal forever with colonies, shoots King Carlos I three times in the chest, killing him instantly and after that fires against his son two times, Prince Luís Filipe, who will die three days later from heart failure. Trying to prevent a worse scenario, Manuel de Arriaga and the moderate republicans declare Portugal a democratic republic. Manuel de Arriaga declares D. Carlos I a Portuguese hero and his body is translated to the National Pantheon.

The Germans attack south Angola and demand that Portugal delivers the warships taken in Cab Verde. Portugal denies the request and with German former warships attacks German ships in the Atlantic African coast. To defend its former colonies, Portugal gives it all independence stating that the Germans are only fighting Portugal. One by one, starting with Mozambique, all the new countries declare war to Germany. And surprises rise when also Brazil declares war on Germany. The Portuguese Commonwealth, the King's dream, is now consolidated.

From the Venus mission no word.

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murtalianconfederacy wrote:

Tejo-class cruiser (42 pts)
Hull: 11
HVP: 2
TR: 6, AV: 2
Primary: 4/d10(x2)
Secondary: --
Light: 6/d4(x1)
Torpedoes: 3/d6(x5)
Equipment:
None
[Hull] [Armour] [Thrust] [Primary] [Secondary] [Light Guns]
[1-11] [12] [13-15] [16-17] [--] [18-20]

(notes: because, IIRC, Portugal and Great Britain has the longest existing alliance (dating back to the 12th century) I decided that Britain would honour that by selling Portugal three hulls based on the Banneret. The Portugese put the guns on for themselves)

Sister ships: Pedro Nunes, Vaya(?)

Golfinho-class destroyer (11 pts)
Hull: 3
HVP: 2
TR: 8, AV: 0
Primary: --
Secondary: --
Light: 6/d4(x1)
Torpedoes: 3/d6(x5)
Equipment:
None
[Hull] [Armour] [Thrust] [Primary] [Secondary] [Light Guns]
[1-6] [--] [7-14] [--] [--] [15-20]

And there you have it, gentlemen--the work of around a week's afternoons and one seriously troubled mind, nine nationalities' vessels.

I already love these two designs. Vaya isn't really a portuguese name, more spanish. I could advise you to call it: "Alfama" or "Mouraria". These could be the cruisers and destroyers from the 1907 batch, "the Light "Éter" Cruiser Cidade de Lisboa is launched from an Great Britain dock. Two more cruisers and 7 frigates and destroyers will be launched that same year."

I would think that the visual designs of Portuguese ships should have the resemblance of Portuguese caravelles:

http://br.geocities.com/wbq_visconde/Caravela.jpg

What do you think?

So, there should be a "game" way to build aetherships without the sealing system and the space engines. With more space for other equipment and different fluff, right?

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In 1908 is given Portuguese nationality to all the indigenous inhabitants of all Portuguese colonies. As this is done in a very orderly fashion the stir generated in all the colonial powers is low. Great Britain lifts its eyebrows to the entrance of native Africans and Indians from Goa into the Portuguese army and navy. An alarming quantity of indigenes from all the Portuguese colonies that started education in 1903, go to Portugal to advance their studies.

The German East Africa colony sends spies to watch what is being done in Mozambique and report it to the Kaiser. The German ambassador visits D. Carlos I in order to "understand" what Portugal is doing in Africa. D. Carlos, being a philanthropist, convinces the Germans of the small importance of the work being done with the natives. Portuguese special forces, raised among the Cuanhamas tribes from Angola, the last of the great warrior tribes, are secretly send to the north of Mozambique to stop the entrance of German spies and troops. After some months, the Leopard Men myth starts to spread throughout Mozambique and German East Africa. Still it isn't enough. In December 1908, the Germans photograph the construction site of the first Portuguese ether battleship near Lourenço Marques, Mozambique provincial capital. A "stolen" blueprint and very modified Bantam Class design.

In 1909 just after the battleship "Vasco da Gama" is launched to the ether, the German and Great Britain governments protest against the armament run started by the Portuguese. Waiting for this, the Portuguese make a dangerous gamble. They offer Great Britain some of the information collected in the Martian site in Angola and ask for help in the international community against the German threat. Canada and Brazil immediately reply siding with Portugal and taking with them the rest of the ABC powers. Great Britain drops it's complains leaving Germany alone. Germany attack several Portuguese ships in the Indian ocean and in reply the Cuanhamas special forces attack several military outposts in German East Africa and incite the local tribes to do the same. The Germans agree in stopping the attacks against Portugal.

In 1910 the Cab Verde archipelago receives the autonomous region status. All throughout the Portuguese Empire a stir rises. Even if not everybody is happy about this resolution in the Portuguese empire, live is much better now than before the Martian Invasion. In a historical speech that awakes all the powers to what Portugal is trying to accomplish, King Carlos I doesn't let the Portuguese people forget that "another more advanced species tried to conquer and enslave us, treating us as an inferior race. How can I close my eyes and sleep like a just or look into the eyes of my sons knowing that I represent an Empire that is doing this same thing." In a very wise speech he declares that "we have to arm ourselves, all as citizens of a equal Empire. Not to threaten our neighbours but to stand strong when the Martian return. For the Martians will return." Three months later a German squadron of ships, three cruisers, several destroyers and troop transport ships invade Cab Verde. It's the powerful German empire reply to the Portuguese king. The Portuguese navy isn't a match for the German might. A strong protest is the Portuguese reply. But soon, another kind of reply will follow. In the capital and in the colonies, men of all conditions offers to join the army and liberate Cab Verde. The King asks for patience and speaks against violence, but accepts all those that want to join.

In 1911 Portugal, Brazil, Japan, Canada and the United States of America launches a mission to Venus. The Portuguese Light Cruiser "Cidade de Lisboa" and Frigate "Moçambedes", the Brazilian Destroyer "Petrópolis", the Japanese Cruiser "Hiryu", the Canadian Freighter "Calgary" and the United States Destroyer "Howard" set their course towards the second planet. It will be a very eventful voyage since the very beginning. Fernando Pessoa, now with 22 years is the civil chronicler of the expedition.

After the launching and at 200.000 miles from earth the convoy is attacked by ether ships without signs of any nationality. To defend the unarmed Canadian freighter, "Hiryu" jeopardizes his own safety receiving several hits that will cripple her. But to enemy surprise, all ships fire back in perfect order, scattering the enemy destroyers that show a big resemblance with German destroyers. Incapable of continuing, the "Hiryu" returns earth leaving the rest of the convoy moving in Venus direction. Returning to earth the "Hiryu" commander reveals a movie showing the German destroyers firing against them. The Kaiser denies any part played by Germany on the event.

I'd prefer the idea that you can reenter atmosphere at a much lower speed and you could float the aethership in atmosphere and use it tactically. Mainly because of Mars, Venus and perhaps the Jupiter moons. It would give the stting much more freedom.

"Captain. Do you see that strange object in that redish valley?" "Yes, Mr. Jennings, lower her down two miles and pass her south of that building..." "Yes, sir. I say sir, it looks like a fortress." "You took the word from my lips. Put the guns crew in stand-by, Mr. Jennings." "Aye-aye, sir."

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In 1895 Commander João Miguel Rosa, the Portuguese consul in Durban (South Africa), visits some diamond mines with his stepson Fernando Pessoa who is 7 years old. Horrified with the treatment given to the indigenous workers in the mines, he writes to Portugal to his friend and mentor, Manuel de Arriaga, describing the horrid way the African people is treated and comparing it to the Portuguese Colonies, Angola, Mozambique, Guinea and Cab Verde. He tells Manuel de Arriaga that his stepson cannot quite forget what he saw and for some time they argue the future of the Portuguese Empire. Manuel de Arriaga is a humanist and a republican, yet he has monarchic friends and he delivers João Rosa's letters to King Dom Carlos I. The King himself continues to write to Manuel de Arriaga and João Rosa, creating the base for a better future for the Portuguese colonies.
In 1901, the Martians invade Earth and João Miguel Rosa is called back to Lisbon. After the threat is gone, he is invited to join a meeting of men that will decide the path for the backwater Portuguese Empire. After several weeks of arguing and planning a project of future emerges. A very bold and dangerous plan of action. Yet, Commander João Miguel Rosas can again look into the eyes of his stepson with hope. Fernando Pessoa is 13 years old and he writes some of his first poems:

I am nothing
I shall never be anything
I cannot wish to be anything.
Aside from that, I have within me all the dreams of the world.

In 1903 after a complete reformulation of the colonial politics, 2000 teachers are sent to the colonies to start what it would be the greatest literacy program ever done by a country. In Portugal and Portuguese colonies start a program to develop the industries, agriculture and the sciences.

In 1904, the leaders of the several indigene nations in the colonies are approached to represent a movement to give the colonies the status of autonomous regions. All this is made in the utmost secret, fearing what the colonial potencies would do if this knowledge would get out too soon.

In 1905, a "soba", the chief of a Bantu tribe in south Angola reveals to the Portuguese administration a metal monster fallen from the sky. Portuguese put their hands into a Martian artefact. In secret it is sent to Portugal to be studied. Overwhelmed with the changes that must be made and the huge problems that will present themselves, Dom Carlos bids for help. He sends emissaries to Brazil and Canada. Both the countries reply warmly to the king request.

In 1906 Portugal decides to not recognize the Orange Free State and some border skirmish starts in south Mozambique. Very slowly and without publicity, the army, navy and the new "Marinha do Éter" start to modernize.

In 1907, the Light "Éter" Cruiser “Cidade de Lisboa” is launched from a dock in London. Two more cruisers and 7 frigates and destroyers will be launched that same year.

So, in the internal logic of IS (that don't have to be logic), what you are saying is:

a) it is very difficult to use the "anti-grav" drive, and so basicaly we can lift things up outside atmosphere, but not in the atmosphere;
b) we can use aether ships in the atmosphere, and basicaly naval ships are completely outclassed, for speed, weight, maneovering and firing;
c) basicaly we don't want to get rid of naval ships (sentimental valour and all that stuff) so we will arrange a way to put up and put down ships and cargo, but not let those pests fly in the atmosphere.

...


Well?

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So, what is the official Iron Stars timeline?
The first Martian cinder fell in a Surrey field during the spring of 1901.
This is the starting point of the martian invasion that ended some weeks after that.
But the war of the worlds doesn't end here, at least the Iron Stars war. I would like you to put the month and the year of each scenario. It is nice for us fluff addicted.  big_smile

On the home front, the 3 iron Stars books are as follows:

Iron Stars Rulebook:

1902 - Great Britain - Japan mutual defense treaty
1903 - sloop HMES Cavor is launched.
1904 - Entente Cordiale
1904 - Japanese attacks Port Arthur
1905 - Chinese attack Hong Kong
1905 - Russian splits into Soviet Republic and White Russia(?)
1906 - France declares war on Soviet Russians and China

Merchant Wars:

1907 (Summer) - a german aether destroyer discovers an asteroid belt with wasserstahl
1908-1909 - The Merchant Wars
(anything else of interest?)

Southern Front:

1908 - The white night
1908 (November) - The Flot Efira is created
1909 - Ernest Shakleton finds the abandoned Martian Outpost in South Pole
1909 - Japan absorbs Korea
1909 - Spain launches her first aether ships
1910 - First lunar mission from the spanish
1910 - Soviets employ new weapons against the japanese
1910 - ABC warships isolate Port Stanley
1911 - Spain colonizes moon
1911 - Great Britain uses the first sucessful orbital bombardment against Buenos Aires
1911 - The Paris Accords

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An working example of the nearest upper reply. You can always say absolutely nothing with a lot of words added in a perfectly logic progression and even cream up the thing a bit further by applying some fancy wording like perfect consistency of the before explained and the weight carried by supra cited and so on.

One more post on the pocket, one more point earned, one more step to reach the next rank!

Hi:

Some questions about the internal logic of the game to the game creators:

The ships in IS are build in the ground and they go up the atmosphere and into the aether by the use of their engines, right? And they go down again to refuel, re-arm and deliver cargo and load cargo. So why can't these ships fight in the atmosphere?

How much time would it take to a ship travel from Earth to Mars or Venus?

Are you planning to move the historical events to mirror our real story? 1st world war, the crash of '29, 2dn ww, etc?

Thanks in advance for the answers.

Hi there:

My name is Joaquim and I'm from Portugal.
I've been playing starmada for some time now, using my minis and my personnal universe with my wife, kid brother and friends. We've started with an SF rpg and when we needed a combat system I found Starmada and I liked it so much that we started to play it also as a boardgame. Sometime ago I found IS.

Uau.

I started playing some weeks ago with the demo rules with my kid brother and we loved it, so I bought the 3 books. As I live in Portugal I bought the PDF's, it's faster, and I printed it right away. We started to play the minute after we cut and glued the counters and we've read it all in a night session that was a little more extended than it should have been. I love the entire set, my wife loves the setting and my brother also loves it. We discuss imediatly a rpg in this set and some expansions that it should have. We had a great idea for an expansion (at least we still think that way after some sleeping and conveying again to discuss it). Would you care to ear it? I can send you a page and an half of historical background, extra rules ideas and ships.

We use the tent counters and it's okay. I have a lot of lead minis but this game feels good playing with the tent counters. But I think you would profit if you make a box counter of all the minis already published and sell it as a PDF extra. I would buy it right away. I think others would do it also, and it would revitalize the game until another expansion gets out.

Finnaly, I think you should write more fluffy material about the ships. People like it and it gives the ships more importance to players. Do you remember Renegade Legion Leviathan? The ship tech readout was one of the best things from the game.

Sorry if I was inconveniente with my suggestions. I do love your work, keep it with this type of excellency.

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I've downloaded the demo. I'll read it now. Thanks for the info Googleplex.

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Hi:

What RPG do you thing goes well with the mechanics and universe of Iron Stars?