Thanksgiving?

Oh well, any excuse for a celebration over there. If we had such a thing, we'd ignore it totally. Just like St George's Day...:D

We will...:P

Amen to that.

I generally like to stay away from politics on this forum, but I just have to say:

If anyone actually thinks ANY American politician is going to reveal hidden Marxist tendencies by an off-the-cuff comment on the campaign trail, they are deluding themselves.

Some may not like the Democratic approach to economics, but to compare it to Communism is akin to calling the Republicans "Fascists". Neither is remotely accurate, and minimizes the true dangers of either system.

Just another example of the American tendency to make everything black and white (both metaphorically and literally), and avoid the difficult task of conducting a real debate over serious issues.

Heh, I like you even more than I did, Kevin.....

Well...my problem is with the political system as a whole and our soon to be former pres in particularly.  We may as well had the stereotypical NERO in office....cause it sure seems like Rome is a burnin.

And I had Lasagna instead of turkey. durn it.

Nero? FWIW, I can't see anything more of an Imperial attitude in Bush than Roosevelt (pick one), Lincoln, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, or any other President that was in charge at the time of some conflict. Bush has been at the receiving end of not only the almost insane hatred of some on the political left, but quite obviously tilted press coverage.

And also note that Bush's approval rating is better than the Democratically-controlled Congress.

While some might take issue with his invasion of Iraq, we WERE still techincally in a state of war, as well as there being quite a bit of under-reported evidence that Sadam WAS allowing terrorists to train there.

No more rape rooms is a good thing.

I do take issue with his economic ideas, though in all honesty, can you say that the Democrats have been any better? If I actually get an additional tax refund of some sort, I'll cheerfully spend it on something, but I'll eat the envelope it came in.

And speaking of eating - I can't eat Lasagna.

Ham, turkey, chili (without a ton of beans), or Sushi is on the menu, though.....I had ham and turkey.

Well, we can debate elsewhere whether the Dems/Obama are/is a socialist, but at least we can agree that there's a difference between that and Marxism/Communism -- a distinction apparently lost on a lot of the right-wing punditry...

I don't mind having a good laugh - or a discussion amongst friends about serious issues as long as it doesn't dissolve into black and white jingosim (which, admittedly, I'm occasionally prone to) and bad feelings on both sides.

I shan't repeat something I once said on a Yahoo list, as it got me in trouble once, and was somewhat insensitive....

As well as could be expected, given the economy (though Texas is in better shape than the rest of the country I'm told) and that I had to work.

Went over to my Dad's house Wednesday, had it again yesterday before work....I can't stuff myself like I used to, but good eating!

Nicely put, though my wife would argue there are subtle but fundamental differences in the positions each man states.

My folks have major moral issues with Obama's stances regarding the abortion issues and other things.  However, my feelings are that he's still the lesser of two evils.

Personally...until they abolish the electoral college and political party system there isn't a prayer of getting anyone decent in the office.  That and simply have all those contributing to election campaigns pay to a central government fund that gives each candidate $250,000 to run their entire campaign on.  If they can't manage that...they sure as hell can't manage the country.

That's all I'll say on the subject.

I don't see Obama managing to do that. It usually take 2-4 years I'm told for even a strong President to have his policies affect the economy.

We've got TILLIONS in debt that need to be paid off - and it's not all on Bush's acount. There are other economic shortcomings in the USA that need addressing that can't be fixed easily.

Frankly, I don't think the President can't really affect the economy that much.

The Presidency is supposed to be a relatively weak office, and only a forceful deal-monger can manage to do anything while in office if his party is in the minority in the Legislature.

Hmmm... how is Obama left of center.....?

"I will not weaponize space" - hell, everyone else on the planet that CAN, IS....that may not be leftist, but it's nieve at best in my view. I believe in a strong defense  - it's the primary duty of the government in my view.

...This is the home turf of Starmada, I'm going to be surprised that there isn't some attention given to that issue.

Someone else would have to enumerate his other stances, I've slept since (and during, if truth be known) his policy enumeration on national TV.

As to Bush's diction, yeah the guy makes me want to cringe, even though he's supposedly from here. His parents aren't from here, and MAN - did he transplant a little TOO well? Good lord....I LIVE in Texas, and rarely hear that bad an accent.

Re - Controlling Election Funding - yeah, "Move On" and similiar groups have already proven that it ain't gonna work. The hippies and the yuppies are going to jump in and try to 'educate' us all to get us to vote the way they deem correct.

Re - Political discussion - yeah, it's not gonna change anyone's mind, for good or ill. One thing it Can do - but in my experience rarely does - is educate that participants. Unfortunately, they usually devolve into shouting matches....

"like saying that a korma is a fhal" - uh, what?  :shock: