• Registered: 2005-06-15
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Re: Space Stations -- proposed rule

alchemist wrote:

Im not for special rules either.   All of the items in my proposal are how the existing starmada rules work now if you make a ship that doesnt have engines.  The only addition is to typically allow bases to use C.3 expanded ranges to reflect the longer range weapons often available on such platforms due to the structural bracing allowing by a design thats not meant to move.

Alchemist

And even that exception could just be a guideline to groups that are choosing whether to use C.3, that they may want to allow this case even if they don't use it for ships.

andy

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Re: Space Stations -- proposed rule

japridemor wrote:

Against. Bases shouldn't have special rules. They are the same sizes and in the same medium as starships. SU saved by not mounting engines CAN be plowed into bigger guns and stronger defenses.

I agree with this. Another thing to consider also, that unless there is a max hull size limit in a particular game/campaign a starbase could be MUCH bigger than the ships...and without engines to pay for...have stronger (probably maxed) shields, a LOT more guns and missiles/torpedoes making them even nastier customers.

  • Registered: 2005-06-15
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Re: Space Stations -- proposed rule

go0gleplex wrote:
japridemor wrote:

Against. Bases shouldn't have special rules. They are the same sizes and in the same medium as starships. SU saved by not mounting engines CAN be plowed into bigger guns and stronger defenses.

I agree with this. Another thing to consider also, that unless there is a max hull size limit in a particular game/campaign a starbase could be MUCH bigger than the ships...and without engines to pay for...have stronger (probably maxed) shields, a LOT more guns and missiles/torpedoes making them even nastier customers.

So are you and japridemor against the original, or against Alchemist's proposal, which is essentially spaceships as regular ships that don't choose engines, and suggesting that limits groups impose on ships might want to relax them for stations?

I'd vote for Alchemist's proposal (which is basically what I think Dan used to say, wondering why people wanted station rules, right?).

andy

  • Registered: 2006-03-23
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Re: Space Stations -- proposed rule

andyskinner wrote:

So are you and japridemor against the original, or against Alchemist's proposal, which is essentially spaceships as regular ships that don't choose engines, and suggesting that limits groups impose on ships might want to relax them for stations?
I'd vote for Alchemist's proposal (which is basically what I think Dan used to say, wondering why people wanted station rules, right?).
andy

I am against bases having any special rules, period. The decision to relax any restrictions imposed on starships should be made by the players in the group without any "official" sanctioning by mentioning it in the rulebooks. If a player wants to design a base; choose a HS and mount what you want within the options allowed in your mileau...just put on no engines.

  • Registered: 2005-04-25
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Re: Space Stations -- proposed rule

japridemor wrote:
andyskinner wrote:

So are you and japridemor against the original, or against Alchemist's proposal, which is essentially spaceships as regular ships that don't choose engines, and suggesting that limits groups impose on ships might want to relax them for stations?
I'd vote for Alchemist's proposal (which is basically what I think Dan used to say, wondering why people wanted station rules, right?).
andy

I am against bases having any special rules, period. The decision to relax any restrictions imposed on starships should be made by the players in the group without any "official" sanctioning by mentioning it in the rulebooks. If a player wants to design a base; choose a HS and mount what you want within the options allowed in your mileau...just put on no engines.

I think at least a mention in the rules for Expanded ranges that you could apply the rule to bases and not ships, ships and bases or neither is in order.  There are countless settings where bases out range ships,  but if players view expanded ranges as ALL or NOTHING they lose the option of duplicating such settings without house rules.