Topic: New Star Trek [SPOILERS]

(mostly spoiler free review)

I liked the new Trek but it did bother me that they were catering so much to the non-trek crowd by making it a frenetic, over-the-top roller-coaster ride a la Raiders of the Lost Ark. The camera doesn't sit still for a second and the screen is always full of action, explosions, blinky lights or cheesecake (cue the green Orion chick.) Neither do the actors stand still: the first time we meet Spock (as a child) he's getting into a fistfight, immediately followed by Kirk trashing his stepfather's car, driving it off the edge of a cliff!!! Even in little details they've sought to amp up the action: phasers do a whirly-whizzy thing as they switch from “stun” to “kill” and they don't shoot in long streams, they go Pew! Pew! Pew! (Like the guns in Star Wars. Speaking of which, there's a chase-scene gag lifted directly from The Phantom Menace. Y'know, if you're making that movie look leisurely, you might be over-doing the action.) This movie has serious attention-deficit disorder issues.

I'd always thought of Trek as “drama” with dashes of action, comedy and adventure thrown in. I'd rag on the score (forgettable) or the set design (weirdly uneven—the bridge looks like the Apple Store while Engineering looks like a sewage-treatment facility), but they're minor nitpicks. Is the new Star Trek enjoyable? Yes. Am I eagerly waiting to see where they go with it? Yes. Just be ready for the roller-coaster ride. (Oh, and don't expect to see Nimoy until late in the game.)

Re: New Star Trek [SPOILERS]

Here's the best review I've seen so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSJF6UiGfa0

Cheers,
Erik

Re: New Star Trek [SPOILERS]

Please put the presence of spoilers (even minor ones) in the subject line.

Daniel Kast
Majestic Twelve Games
cricket@mj12games.com

Re: New Star Trek [SPOILERS]

Blacklancer99 wrote:

Here's the best review I've seen so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSJF6UiGfa0

Cheers,
Erik

Ha! "...3 hours of extra footage for Trek fans..."

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"Set Phasers to Fabulous".....

heh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kamjO6d_ecY&feature=channel

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Easiest description ever....

Star Trek 90210

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Its not as bad as someone on another forum...

They put in the subject title that Vulcan was destroyed

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Speaking of Star Trek... smile

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Daniel Kast
Majestic Twelve Games
cricket@mj12games.com

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:ugeek:  GEEK ALERT! GEEK ALERT!   :ugeek:

That scene showing in the above post is the federation colony under attack by the Gorn who are firing photon mortars (hence all the great smoking craters)...whom Kirk ends up facing later in the show in mano-a-lizard combat, winning only by the famed bamboo cannon...

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Heh, how about a card game where all the gadgets are the things in ANY of the (mostly one use) various Trek episodes?

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go0gleplex wrote:

That scene showing in the above post is the federation colony under attack by the Gorn who are firing photon mortars (hence all the great smoking craters)...whom Kirk ends up facing later in the show in mano-a-lizard combat, winning only by the famed bamboo cannon...

Season 1, episode 18: "Arena"
First aired: January 16, 1967

The plot was NOT based on a story by Fredric Brown, but after it was written someone noticed the similarities, and so they retroactively paid Brown and gave him story credit.

Daniel Kast
Majestic Twelve Games
cricket@mj12games.com

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Coises! Out-geeked again!   lol

Didn't they try doing a star trek card game back when? Or was it something else I'm remembering...*scratchin me noggin*  :?:

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go0gleplex wrote:

Coises! Out-geeked again!   lol

Didn't they try doing a star trek card game back when? Or was it something else I'm remembering...*scratchin me noggin*  :?:

No idea if they did a card game, the 'poster' just stimulated an idea...

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Just saw the movie...YEEEHAAAW!!!

Non-stop kick butt action...and Spock gets the girl.  What a rush!

What kind of changes to Klingon Academy is this going to require?

Curious what time periods are we looking at?  Original series?  Star Trek Movies?  ST:TNG?

Oh yeah almost forgot...it's still not healthy to wear red in this new timeline.

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CPTCole wrote:

What kind of changes to Klingon Academy is this going to require?

None, continuity in the Trek universe is NOT related to continuity in the SFB Universe.....

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thedugan wrote:
CPTCole wrote:

What kind of changes to Klingon Academy is this going to require?

None, continuity in the Trek universe is NOT related to continuity in the SFB Universe.....

Darn!

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Finally saw it. Didn't think I'd like it as much as I did. The previews made it look like a two-hour Mountain Dew commercial, but it was actually well done. One of the best Star Trek films.

Thought it was ... interesting ... that they set it up as an "alternate reality" -- essentially short-circuiting any fanboys (like me) who would otherwise nit-pick every little inconsistency with the original series. wink

Couple things, tho:

1) Leonard Nimoy doing the "Space, the final frontier" thing at the end. Could've (should've?) been given to Shatner -- smoothed over that whole "why did Len get a cameo but not me?" thing...

2) This is the second time (first with the Picard-clone from "Nemesis") that they've touted a villain as the "best since Khan". The thing they don't seem to get about Khan is that he was such a compelling character because he was ... COMPLICATED ... this "Nero" guy from the movie was just angry, through and through. No depth at all. I'm not saying he wasn't a good villain -- just that he could have been even better.

3) I don't care what he did -- would a last-year cadet EVER be promoted straight to captain and given his own ship?

But those are very minor things -- overall, highly entertaining.

(And a heckuva lot better than Terminator: Salvation...)

Daniel Kast
Majestic Twelve Games
cricket@mj12games.com

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cricket wrote:

Finally saw it. Didn't think I'd like it as much as I did. The previews made it look like a two-hour Mountain Dew commercial, but it was actually well done. One of the best Star Trek films.

Thought it was ... interesting ... that they set it up as an "alternate reality" -- essentially short-circuiting any fanboys (like me) who would otherwise nit-pick every little inconsistency with the original series. wink

Couple things, tho:

1) Leonard Nimoy doing the "Space, the final frontier" thing at the end. Could've (should've?) been given to Shatner -- smoothed over that whole "why did Len get a cameo but not me?" thing...

2) This is the second time (first with the Picard-clone from "Nemesis") that they've touted a villain as the "best since Khan". The thing they don't seem to get about Khan is that he was such a compelling character because he was ... COMPLICATED ... this "Nero" guy from the movie was just angry, through and through. No depth at all. I'm not saying he wasn't a good villain -- just that he could have been even better.

3) I don't care what he did -- would a last-year cadet EVER be promoted straight to captain and given his own ship?

But those are very minor things -- overall, highly entertaining.

(And a heckuva lot better than Terminator: Salvation...)

I saw it a few hours ago myself and found it much tougher to swallow. I LIKED the alternate reality created and thought it created several interesting arcs but I found the contrivances used to "bring the gang together" were just a bit too much to swallow. I thought the allusions to trek lore and characters (especially the reference to Admiral Archer's beagle) was fun as was the sprinkling of "catchphrases" any fanboy would have to expect. BUT...
...(MAJOR Spoiler alert)








Not only was Nero fairly one dimensional, but they totally ripped of the slug in brain thing from Wrath of Khan, giving it a different name...without and of Ricardo's over-the-top menacing monolog-ing. Yet he leaves Spock alive and unsupervised  to watch his planet die. What is he, a Bond Villan???

When did the Romulans officially become space orks to the Vulcan space elves?

Why does the engineering section look like a desalinization plant, but everything else looks like t was lifted from 2001 (the movie not the actual year)?

I thought Simon Pegg was funny, but in no way was he channeling Scotty, when everyone else seemed to be doing their level best to imitate the originals (I did think Karl Urban was particularly good)

Worst contrivance of the movie: Kirk jettisoned at random, lands within walking distance of Spock, who was also marooned apparently at random, and both are walking distance (on a hostile glacial planet no less) from Scotty. Nope, can't swallow that even with salt and pepper.

For the love of Pete how big does a super nova have to be to threaten the galaxy? But it can be sucked up by a black hole? (raises hand) Um, how big was that black hole supposed to be and what's to stop the freakin black hole from threatening the galaxy?

I am a total geek, love explosions (even if they are my own ships) and swordfights, but for me the best part of the movie was the GI Joe trailer, not because it looks good, but because I have always had a thing for the Baroness  lol

I think I will have to stop going to movies that aren't made by Pixar or Dreamworks animation...they really seem to be the only ones worth the money lately.

Overall, I didn't mind the non-stop action, and the space sequences were mighty perdy but I just couldn't get past the long long list of things that just didn't make sense. My suspension of disbelief gland must be weakening with old age. But then again, I happen to think the only good Trek movie is Wrath of Khan, and most of them were far more unwatchable than the most recent effort.

Cheers,
Erik

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cricket wrote:

3) I don't care what he did -- would a last-year cadet EVER be promoted straight to captain and given his own ship?

Strange things can happen in times of turmoil. At one point during the Civil War, we ended up with a 20-year old Brigadier General by the name of Galusha Pennypacker, one of those rare folks who lived to personally receive his Congressional Medal of Honor.

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Blacklancer99 wrote:

... I happen to think the only good Trek movie is Wrath of Khan...
Erik

Easily my favorite also.
Kevin

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cricket wrote:

---snip----
3) I don't care what he did -- would a last-year cadet EVER be promoted straight to captain and given his own ship?

--snip-- overall, highly entertaining.

thats the point that really grates ok graduate him as full Lieutenant instead of sub-lieutenant (sg instead of jg?) or whatever.  give him a cruiser.... just came accross too silly for words.

And stupid drill down to let super dense black holey red matter into core?!?!

but that aside i did like it
JefA

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Bah, I think you guys are thinking about it too much.

I was sort of in the "Pulp Serial" mode like Flash Gordon or Perry Rhodan watching it.

Men of Action with nerves of steel get rewarded. Was fine with me.

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RiflemanIII wrote:
cricket wrote:

3) I don't care what he did -- would a last-year cadet EVER be promoted straight to captain and given his own ship?

Strange things can happen in times of turmoil. At one point during the Civil War, we ended up with a 20-year old Brigadier General by the name of Galusha Pennypacker, one of those rare folks who lived to personally receive his Congressional Medal of Honor.

But if I'm not mistaken, the ACW was a four year conflict which saw many of the experienced officers killed early on. Unless there was a serious incident amongst the officers that resulted in a significant proportion of them dying, why would a last-year cadet gain a command? A patrol ship, maybe, but anything bigger?

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Kirk's promotion could've been (clearly wasn't, but could've been) much later. How hard would it have been to throw together a montage of scenes with him with Kirk serving under Captain Pike? Then do the big promotion.

Also, I find it hard to believe that SO MUCH had changed in the alternate timeline. Maybe if the Romulans had been going around conducting a guerrila war against the Federation, it would make sense. However, according to the extras on the DVD, the Romulans spent a great deal of time cooling their heels in a Klingon prison. How does THAT change the timeline?

Y'know, when Trek was at its best, I'm not sure it was a space opera. I always thought of it as a drama, with action. (But then, I'm more of a TNG/DS9 fan.)

For a sequel, I'd like to see less comedy, a real engine room set (not a brewery), and an antagonist that IS NOT:
a borg, bomb, space amoeba, giant tribble or time traveller.

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For some reason, your "Villians Request" brought this to mind....

http://www.rathergood.com/laibach

...heh!