• Registered: 2018-07-09
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Topic: A couple questions...

As I haven't received any answer to my questions regarding my Shipbuilder, which I need answered before I can do any further work on supplements, I'm going to ask them again:

1) WRT the FT supplement, two fleets seem to have been designed with different figures for PDS and AEGIS Fire Control. Can anyone confirm or deny this, please?

2) I noticed a discrepancy between my Shipbuilder and Drydock when AEGIS Fire Control is applied. Can anyone figure out where I have gone wrong and, if I haven't, where the Drydock is wrong?

Again, please, I really need the second question at least answered so I can get back to work on any potential future supplements. At the moment I can't progress any further with my work which is leaving me with too much time on my hands and, with Lockdown 2: Electric Boogaloo in progress, I need something to do.

  • From: Denver, CO
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Re: A couple questions...

I am not able to tell you if/where your Shipbuilder has gone wrong. However, I can confirm that the Drydock currently available on the web site computes the space/ORAT values of the PDS and Aegis Fire Control correctly.

Likewise, I have confirmed that the ships in the Full Thrust book are all using the proper space/ORAT values for PDS and Aegis.

Daniel Kast
Majestic Twelve Games
cricket@mj12games.com

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  • Registered: 2018-07-09
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Re: A couple questions...

Okay, thanks for the reply. It does mean all ships with AEGIS in my supplements are in error. Oh well.

The way I resolved AEGIS Fire Control was having the PDS, Tractor Beams and Defensive SU calculations have a potential doubling if AEGIS was selected. Thus, for a (CRB) range 1 weapon with 1x2+/1/1 and defensive, it would be 2 SUs as standard, 3SUs with AEGIS (due to the 1SU Defensive calculation). Then the ORAT takes the final SU total and runs it through.

Is there anything you can see there that makes it incorrect? I followed the RA process, as much as I can tell, so it's annoying my Shipbuilder is wrong...

EDIT: Due to this message, unless anyone says otherwise, I am going to delete all my supplements in the Basin in a week's time.

Is there any way people can help me figure out where I've gone wrong? At the moment I'm starting to feel depressed again.

  • Registered: 2018-07-09
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Re: A couple questions...

In order to facilitate the attempt to find out where I've gone wrong, I designed a few ships with my Shipbuilder.

In order to hopefully find out where I'm going wrong with AEGIS Fire Control, I designed a couple of ships, one with Defensive weapons, the other with PDS, and both having an ‘escort' variant with exactly the same weapons etc., but with AEGIS. I've noted how much SU each step takes and the ORAT for the weapons and PDS. I've also checked the weapon TL as well—each ship has three different weapon tech levels.

All weapons except the Missile Launcher are CRB weapons. The numbers in parentheses are the SU total at a WTL of 0.

Assault Cannon: R-8, 1x3+/1/5, Pr2 (44.8)
Heavy Cannon: R-8, 1x3+/1/3, Pr1 (21.6)
Medium Cannon: R-8, 1x3+/1/2 (10.4)
Light Cannon: R-6, 1x2+/1/1 (6)
PD Cannon: R-2, 1x2+/1/1, Dfn (3 total, 1 SU as Defensive addition)
Missile Launcher: MA 9, 1x2+/1/1, Seeker (12)

MEGALITH-class battleship
Hull 12 (2520SUs)
Engines: 2 (-408)
Shields: 3 (-432)
Assault Cannon: ABCD (SU 314/224/157, OR 280)
Heavy Cannon: ABCD x2 (SU 302/216/151, OR 270)
Medium Cannon: [ABCE/ABDF] x2 (SU 292/208/146, OR 260)
Light Cannon: [ABCE/ABDF] x4 (SU 336/240/168, OR 320)
Missile Launcher: ABCD x4 (SU 336/240/168, OR 294)
PDS: 12 (SU 84/60/42, OR 180)

OR 1604, DR 48, CRAT 278
SUs  remaining (-1/0/+1): 16/492/848
Weapon Track start: 31

MEGALITH-E class battleship
As above but with AEGIS Fire Control added
PDS: 12 (SU 168/120/84, OR 360)

OR 1784, DR 48, CRAT 293
SUs remaining (-1/0/+1): -68/432/806
Weapon Track start: 32


GIGALITH class Battleship
Hull 12 (2520SU)
Engines: 2 (-408)
Shields: 3 (-432)
Assault Cannon, Heavy Cannon, Medium Cannon and Missile Launcher as Megalith class. Light Cannons and PDS deleted in favour of PD Cannons:
PD Cannon: [ABCE/ABDF/ACEF/BDEF] x4 (SU 336/240/168, OR 480)

OR 1584, DR 48, CRAT 276
SUs remaining (-1/0/+1): 100/552/890
Weapon Track start: 27

GIGALITH-E battleship: as Gigalith but with AEGIS

PD Cannon: [ABCE/ABDF/ACEF/BDEF] x4 (SU 448/320/224, OR 640)

OR 1744, DR 48, CRAT 290
SUs  remaining (-1/0/+1): -12/472/834
Weapon Track start: 28