Topic: Evolution of the French Fleet

OK, I've been an ass and criticized other people's fleet concepts.  So pick apart mine, if you have any interest in playing the French.

The full blown fluff will come later (kinda like what I did for the Turks).  But the general idea is that the French are mildly behind other states in ship development.  Not numbers, but in where their designs shine.

Just like with their real world wet navy entering WWI, the French Ether Fleet is focused on counteracting the Italians and Austrians.  The whole dreadnought concept was slow to take hold in Paris, and the result was that in 1907-1909, far too much of the military budget was invested in the creation of the Alembert class battleship.

The ship is meant to resemble the wet navy Danton -- in that it's a "semi-dreadnought" with only four powerful primary guns, but a TON of secondaries.  It has decent armor but indifferent speed.  Combined with its hard-hitting torpedoes, it's a natural response to the Janos Hunyadi class CH, which was the Sternmarine's main ship of the line until its full-blown BBs started appearing.

Here's why:
Four D10 (X2) primaries can punch through the Hunyadi's armor of "4" at ranges beyond 5" (or 10 nm in game terms if I remember Dan's scale guidelines from when he was looking at the bomb templates).  And its 12D8 (X2) secondaries mean it can direct a withering level of firepower at short to point-blank range.  Its torpedoes are rough, and it has a horde of light guns.  Its main weaknesses are its lack of speed, and maybe the fact that it really won't hold its own against a legitimate battlewagon.

The next ship to pop up will be the French attempt at a dreadnought.  Following that with a CL, AC, destroyer, defense ship and a FAC platform.

If folks don't like them, tear them apart.


Ships in class: Alembert, Clairault , Diderot

Hull: 25(VL/4)       PV: 211
TR: 4, AV: 4
Primary: 4/d10 (x2)
Secondary: 12/d8(x2)
Light: 16/d4(x1)
Torpedoes: 4/d10 X3)
Equipment:
Babbage Engine
Machine Guns X 3
[1-10] [11] [12] [13] [14-16] [17-20]

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

Toulouse class Battleship is the only Ether equivalent of a dreadnought in the French fleet.

Ships in class: Toulouse

Hull: 27 (VL/3) PV: 157
TR: 6, AV: 3
Primary: 8/d10 (x2)
Secondary: 6/d6(x2)
Light: 12/d4(x1)
Torpedoes: 5/d10 (x3)
Equipment:
Babbage Engine
Machine Guns X 4
[1-12] [13] [14] [15-16] [17] [18-20]

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

Interesting design concept there, those are some heavyweight secondaries.  Going to have problems against high-armor enemies, but that's kind of the point, isn't it?  And it will certainly eat cruisers up fast, won't it?

If nothing else, it's appropriately behind-the-times French "naval" thinking...  smile

Rich

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

The Invaincu FAC carrier got its name from naval officers who scoffed at its thin armor, minimal firepower and gyroscopic stabilizer -- all evidence that engineers envisioned the carrier dropping its FACs, then turning tail. It did, however, manage to fill a badly niche in the Ether Fleet's roster.

Ships in class: Invaincu

Hull: 11 (M/1) PV: 25
TR: 6, AV: 1
Primary: -
Secondary: 4/d6(x2)
Light: 6/d4(x1)
Torpedoes: -
Equipment:
Gyroscopic Stabilizer
FACs X 6
Machine Guns X 2
[1-11] [12] [13-15] [-] [16-17] [18-20]

The Gambetta and Freycinet were the fleet's armored cruisers, and followed the basic French approach of scrimping on primaries while going hog wild with the secondary guns.  Later designs would  reveal the ships as poor front line combatants by the opening rounds of WWI; but the hulls would prove admirably suited to escort missions, due to their armament and Babbage Engines.

Ships in class: Gambetta, Freycinet

Hull: 15 (M/3) PV: 83
TR: 5, AV: 2
Primary: 4/d8(x2)
Secondary: 12/d4(x2)
Light: 12/d4(x1)
Torpedoes: 2/d10(x3)
Equipment:
Babbage Engine
Machine Guns X 2
[1-8] [9] [10-11] [12] [13-16] [17-20]

The D'Iberville class Defense Ship was a converted light cruiser aimed at disrupting Austro-Hungarian and Italian supply routes -- or bombing land based facilities from high orbit.  Rugged, and equipped with the armament needed to fend off enemy destroyers, it was a bizarre, if effective design.

Ships in class: D'Iberville, Cassini

Hull: 7 (S/2) PV: 32
TR: 6 AV: 2
Primary: 1/d8(x2)
Secondary: 4/d4(x2)
Light: 4/d4(x1)
Torpedoes: -
Equipment:
Bomb Racks X2
Machine Guns X2
Mine Factors X5
[1-8] [9] [10-13] [14] [15-17] [18-20]

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

Last two designs.  A commerce raider/CL, the Aurvergne and the Fusilier class destroyer.  The Fusilier is the only French design to abandon torpedoes in favor of rockets, but as it was designed solely as an escort vessel, it makes sense.


Ships in class: Auvergne, Aquitaine, Lorraine

Hull: 8 (S/2) PV: 25
TR:7, AV: 1
Primary: 2/d6(x2)
Secondary: 6/d4(x2)
Light: -
Torpedoes: 4/d10(x3)
Equipment:
Machine Gun X4
Mine Factor X2
[1-10] [11] [12-15] [16 [17-20] [-]


Ships in class: Fusilier,Fii-Fiv

Hull:4 (S/3) PV: 21
TR:7, AV: 1
Primary: 2/d4(x2)* Forward Only
Secondary: -
Light: 2/d4(x1)
Torpedoes: -
Equipment:
Machine Gun X5
Hale Rockets (5) X3
[1-8] [9] [10-16] [17-18] [-] [19-20]

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

Excuse me

I sent some French ships to Dan around two weeks ago, including the Hardest Ship Name To Spell Properly, the D'Entrecasteaux. So there  tongue

Sheesh...:D

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

Huh.  Well they ain't here.  And I ain't seen 'em. So I'm playing mine   big_smile

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

Ne'er mind  big_smile

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

tongue

Hehe.

Anyway, they look good...:D

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

Sorry for the long delay in replying.  I really like the designs- the strong secondary battery balanced damage wise with the primary is an interesting paradigm.  I've noticed that your French seem to consider Babbage Engines pretty standard on thier larger ships.  Any fluff reason for this?

I really like the Invaincu.  As an interesting possibility, if the doctrine is to drop FAC, turn away and run maybe a mine factor or three would be appropriate?
EDIT: forgot to ask, what's the Invaincu's flight group consist of?

The Fusilier is a pretty tough looking destroyer, but also pretty expensive (almost as expensive as the CL)  and it appears to only has a single sister.  I don't know what sort of Ether-presence you envision the French having, but I could see the French needing a more numerous (and cheaper) boat for patrol duties and the like.

Individually the designs are good, together as a fleet they look like a blast to play!

-Will

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

All irrelevant.  The French are established and my ships ain't in there.

On the plus side, I got the other red, white & blue written up. Fans of the Keel Bombard should like the United States Ether Service.

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

themattcurtis wrote:

All irrelevant.  The French are established and my ships ain't in there.

On the plus side, I got the other red, white & blue written up. Fans of the Keel Bombard should like the United States Ether Service.

You talkin' to me?  Let's see the stats!  smile

Rich

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

All irrelevant. The French are established and my ships ain't in there.

That's too bad, I really liked this set.  Any hints on what the 'real' French look like?

Definitely looking forward to seeing the Americans.

-Will

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

wminsing wrote:

All irrelevant. The French are established and my ships ain't in there.

That's too bad, I really liked this set.  Any hints on what the 'real' French look like?

Definitely looking forward to seeing the Americans.

-Will

The French are pink.

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

thedugan wrote:
wminsing wrote:

All irrelevant. The French are established and my ships ain't in there.

That's too bad, I really liked this set.  Any hints on what the 'real' French look like?

Definitely looking forward to seeing the Americans.

-Will

The French are pink.

That's just cruel! *LOL*

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

That's too bad, I really liked this set. Any hints on what the 'real' French look like?

Definitely looking forward to seeing the Americans.

-Will

I was fond of 'em myself.  But I wasn't aware that Dan had some already in the hopper.  If you want a word file with them included so you can use them, lemme know and I'll shoot them your way.

Re: Evolution of the French Fleet

Bear in mind that the 'Original French' fleet was an alpha (as far as I know), and I'm not sure how attached Dan was to them.

Any other French Fleets, I'll defer to Dan and the others on the design team.

I just do the art and kibitz...the only thing that matters at my level is the number and type of guns and other 'visible' kit.
:-)