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  • Registered: 2005-03-27
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Re: The Fighter issue

japridemor wrote:

Quick hypothetical question. If I wanted a race who's fighters ignored shields rather than just halved shields, would the following fighter calculations be correct?

ORat & DRat / 1.8 (for removing Halves Shields) x 2.5 (for adding Ignores Shields).

So: 50 / 1.8 x 2.5 = 69.444 or 70 for ORat and DRat?

Not quite. The weapon modifiers are applied to the ORat, before multiplying by DRat and taking the square root. When applying the modifiers directly to the base cost of 50 for fighters (which is the result of that square root), you need to also take the square root.

So, the formula would be:

50 / (1.8 )^.5 * (2.5)^.5 = 58.93, rounded to 59.

Daniel Kast
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  • Registered: 2006-03-23
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Re: The Fighter issue

cricket wrote:

Not quite. The weapon modifiers are applied to the ORat, before multiplying by DRat and taking the square root.

Understood. Thanks for the timely response. One of the great things about Starmada is the quick response to questions like these. Other, much larger, companies either would take forever to respond or just say that this was some kind of proprietary point calculation and that I should wait for "official" variants. Stamada allows me to tinker. Thanks a ton.

  • Registered: 2006-01-17
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Re: The Fighter issue

The above formula is very simple.  Can this formula be used to change fighter's ability to half shields to any of the other weapon abilities?  I would be interested in experimenting with fighters that, instead of reducing shields by half, do "Extra Hull Damage", or even "Repeating"  :shock: 
Obviously, some of the weapon abilities would not make sense on a fighter...

The only person using fighters in the games we play here in Jacksonville is me.  If I have a spare 60 or 120 points, etc, I take along some Long Range Fighters.  If the option to exchange halves seirlds for some of the other weapon abilities were added, I would even design a carrier.

  • From: Denver, CO
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Re: The Fighter issue

BeowulfJB wrote:

The above formula is very simple.  Can this formula be used to change fighter's ability to half shields to any of the other weapon abilities?

Theoretically, yes.

smile

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  • Registered: 2006-03-23
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Re: The Fighter issue

How much of a fighter squadrons ORat and DRat are in the fighters themselves. We have a campaign battle involving an attack on three carriers with hardly any of their fighters left aboard and need to know the value of empty fighter bays. In a previous battle the fighters were drawn off and eliminated and now the carriers are running but they have been intercepted by some smaller, faster ships. We figure the ORat is all in the fighters but some of the DRat must remain as the bays can absorb some damage. Help. We calculate victory off of victory points and need to know the carriers ComRat ( ORat and DRat ) without all of its fighters.

  • From: Denver, CO
  • Registered: 2005-03-27
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Re: The Fighter issue

japridemor wrote:

How much of a fighter squadrons ORat and DRat are in the fighters themselves. We have a campaign battle involving an attack on three carriers with hardly any of their fighters left aboard and need to know the value of empty fighter bays. In a previous battle the fighters were drawn off and eliminated and now the carriers are running but they have been intercepted by some smaller, faster ships. We figure the ORat is all in the fighters but some of the DRat must remain as the bays can absorb some damage. Help. We calculate victory off of victory points and need to know the carriers ComRat ( ORat and DRat ) without all of its fighters.

In earlier editions of the game, the fighter cost was at least partially separated from the carrier -- e.g., Enterprise (100 +40) meant a carrier worth 100 points on its own, plus 40 points' worth of fighters. However, in X, we decided to roll the entire cost into one. Thus, killing fighters is worth nothing -- you have to get the carrier.

So the question is, did anyone get points for killing the fighters when they were drawn off? If so, then you'll need to do what you're suggesting, in which case, I'd just deduct 50 points per flight. If not, then you should just award the full cost of the carrier when/if it is eliminated.

Daniel Kast
Majestic Twelve Games
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