OK, Another Pass:

(346) D7 Klolode-class Klingon Battlecruiser

Hull: 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1           
Engines: 5 5 5 4 4 3 3 3 2 2 1 1           
Screens: 11 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1           
Weapons:
1:X 2:X 3:Y 4:Z 5:Z 6:

X: Disruptors: 5/10/15, 1/3+/2/2
[AB][AB][AB][AB]

Y: Phaser I: 4/8/12, 1/3+/1/1
Range-Based ROF; Increased Hits
[ABCD]

Z: Phaser II: 4/8/12, 1/3+/1/1
Range-Based ROF
[ACE][ACE][BDF][BDF]

Special: Hyperdrive; Anti-Fighter Batteries (4); Carrier (50); Science (10); Marines (16); Teleporters (4)

and

(328) Constitution-class Federation Heavy Cruiser

Hull: 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1           
Engines: 5 5 5 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1           
Screens: 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2           
Weapons:
1:X 2:X 3:Y 4:Y 5:Z 6:

X: Photon Torpedoes: 5/10/15, 1/4+/1/5
Slow-Firing; Doubled Range Mods
[AB][AB][AB][AB]

Y: Phaser I: 4/8/12, 1/3+/1/1
Range-Based ROF; Increased Hits
[ABCD][ABCD][CE][DF]

Z: Phaser III: 2/4/6, 1/3+/1/1
Range-Based ROF
[ABCDEF]

Special: Hyperdrive; Science (20); Marines (12); Teleporters (4); Cargo (22)

Another issue is speeds. In SFB it was not uncommon for ships to be screaming around at Speed 20+ running from Plasmas and the like. in Starmada Speeds are considerably slower, while ranges are also a bit shorter (mostly)

Should we aim at weapons being relatively short ranged? In SFB a Ship could accelerate up and be out of even Phaser I range in a turn of movement.  Right now, if we limit Phaser I ranges to 15 it might take 2-3 turns at top speed to get out of the envelope of a stationary vessel's Phaser I.

I don't think it's Moot at all. we might see something they don't, or we might have an idea that sparks something. plus it's FUN. (lol)

I agree with you about the good old basic SFB, which is why I was pleasantly surprised with Federation Commander:Klingon Border. You get Cruisers, Frigates and a Dread each for Fed and Klingon, plus a couple ships from other races to whet your appetite. they carved out all the junk that slowed it down and kept what was good: Maneuver, Power, and proportional movement.

Doh thinking cap on. Of course you are right. I agree 4+

You know, i have both games, Glen and the difference isn't as much as you would think. I started playing SFB with the original Pocket Edition in '80 and played continuously until '95 or '96.

The major deal is they have consolidated stuff so I don't have to screw around with "Positron Flywheels" (lol) and "Ubitron Interface Modules" or the Kaufman Retrograde or "Narrow-salvo-proximity-fused Photon Torpedoes".

All that stuff is fine when you have 4 ships or less playing and you have 5 hours to spare, but stripping that down and not having to fill out turn-by turn energy allocation forms is brilliant. Your energy allocation takes place as you use it and you slide the paperclip down the laminated SSD to the new number.

And I can play 4 times more often now!

hmm A klingon D7 has something like 90 internals in Federation Commander, 4 or which are Lab boxes.

I don't know if that number is high or low, as science in Starmada is abstract.

As previously posted I think I like Range based rate-of fire more than Range-based Damage. if you look on the hit chart Phaser Is do 50% more damage at point blank than Phaser IIs (Max damage 9 on Phaser I and 6 on Phaser II)
Phaser I goes out to 25 hexes in Fed Commander and Phaser II goes out to 25 as well

In fact, looking at the bands they are Almost identical at 9-25 range (The Phaser I does a little more damage with the same hit odds). The only place the Phaser I is dramatically better is n the 5 or less range, where it easily overpowers Phaser II. Maybe Phaser I and II have same range and Range-based ROF but Phaser I has the "Increased Hits" trait as well?

LOL dang I might as well kill this thread and start over (This fits in with my morning, sadly)

Here's a Hull-10 version of the D7

(280) D7 Klolode -class Klingon Battlecruiser

Hull: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1             
Engines: 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1             
Screens: 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1             
Weapons:
1:XZ 2:XZ 3:XZ 4:Y 5:Y 6:Z

X: Disruptors: 5/10/15, 1/3+/2/1
Range-Based DMG
[AB][AB][AB][AB]

Y: Phaser I: 5/10/15, 1/3+/1/1
Range-Based ROF
[ABCD][ABCD]

Z: Phaser II: 3/6/9, 1/3+/1/1
Range-Based ROF
[AC][BD][CE][CE][DF][DF]

Special: Hyperdrive; Science (4); Teleporters (3); Marines (20); Carrier (25); Anti-Fighter Batteries (4); Cargo (3)

All-in all not a bad compromise. Lost a significant carrier load, allows it to carry just a couple Single Striker flights.

Romulan King Eagle:

Here is where it falls apart a bit. As I see it, the Plasma Torpedoes can either be Direct Fire weapons with extreme damage and Range issues (Trying to simulate the "Damage Curve" of a Plasma) or as Strikers (Which would imply limited ammunition but force us to introduce Striker launch rates.

I chose to use the Former. In addition, I was forced to drop the Phaser III rear armament. This makes the King Eagle terrifying from the front, but extremely vulnerable from the rear.

(246) King Eagle-class Romulan Cruiser

Hull: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1             
Engines: 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1             
Screens: 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1             
Weapons:
1:X 2:Y 3:Y 4:Z 5:Z 6:Z

X: Plasma-R: 6/12/18, 1/2+/2/5
Range-Based DMG; Slow-Firing; Doubled Range Mods
[AB]

Y: Plasma-F: 6/12/18, 1/2+/1/3
Range-Based DMG; Slow-Firing; Doubled Range Mods
[AB][AB]

Z: Phaser I: 5/10/15, 1/3+/1/1
Range-Based ROF
[ABC][ABC][ABD][ABD]

Special: Hyperdrive; Science (2); Teleporters; Marines (10); Cloaking Device; Cargo

I'll put in my 2 cents worth if no one else will.

In my opinion it should be up to the force with the higher Speed. (The highest speed of the slowest member of your fleet).

In my opinion even with an inferior force i might be able to meet certain objectives. For instance, if my Teeny Force are dedicated Carriers with a very High Speed, I can stay out of your grasp, do  a few standoff strikes to whittle down your lighter craft, then disengage faster than you can pursue.