In hindsight, I don't think that the above sentence made all of the sense I intented it to make. So, let's try again:

"I would consider any situation where the initial points cost of the frame you want to add to the combo weapon is less than 20 (or 10) points an excuse for juggling the costs of the primary frame and the additional frame(s)"

So there.

Time for an update (better late than never, as they say...).

Firstly, I added some information on Brotherhood society. It'll likely expand as well, although not as much the history section, which will soon be getting a timeline of the Brotherhood history. Hopefully.

Secondly, here are the conversion guidelines I used in making the the Brotherhood Force List. I'm going to follow the same guidelines in making the Mishima forces and any further Warzone force I might care to convert (an unlikely situation, but you never know...). While not really important to the end result, I've included them in case someone gets curious as to the choices I've made during the conversion.

I think it was already broken when you got into the room. But I'm sure tea & bisquits are in order all the same.

Isn't the errata available through the main Defiance site yet? IMHO it won't do to direct people to an errata file that requires you to sign on to something...

It didn't occur to me either (until I read the Star Marines list) that you could combine more than 2 weapons in a single frame or that you don't count the frames included therein unless they are also separately available :oops:

The rule as it should be interpreted effectively actually allows you to "overload" infantry/vehicle frames with quite a lot of different weapons as the actual limit of the different weapon frames available to each is actually almost solely dictated by the cost limits of the weapon frame classes (SI, PI or VE weapon). Which does potentially have quite a bit of impact on the army creation, so methinks this is something that should be made more explicit in the FAQ.

Doubtlessly an idea appreciated by many, although this sort of "anything goes" universe isn't my thing really.

But (somewhat off-topic  :oops:) on this software you are using...

It sounds interesting and I would really need a tool of this sort at some point. How good is it at making planetary systems with preset requirements (such as "second orbit planet must be within life zone and must have a single moon", to borrow an example from my Brotherhood force project)?

Well, if I had the model I'd just make it a field artillery piece (i.e. infantry crew served weapon) of the mortary persuasion. In other words, use it like Lobbas in the current Wh40k version. But that's just me of course.

Very colourful effects such as those of the old Shokk Attakk Gun or Hop Splat Field Gun are difficult to implement in another system, especially in a open one where the system has to ensure balance accross the board. People who adore such effects are probably always going to feel that Defiance and other "generic" games are a bit bland.

sw made me recall that one of the augs I'd like to see considered sometime would be some kind of paratroops option. A "jump once" ability would be a step in that direction. But that's entirely of topic here...

You might find it helpfull to take a look at the "archetypal" example force lists created by Demian. I'm sure he can be persuaded to provide you with a link (or give me permission to publish the links to PDFs at my home page). There is a list for Star Marines and Space Thugs. The latter is build to handle Orkish style forces, while the inspiration for the first should be obvious from the name.

I would make them TL3 but mostly limit their weapon frame options to TL2 compatible stuff as their standard weapons aren't very effective.

In tournaments, I believe that's a no. Otherwise, there is no such limitation. A TL2 force might have a hard time taking on a TL3 force tho, but that's as it should be.