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Man I wonder if I can convince the callahanian clan to go to florida for a convention 
Yeah, He's stubborn that way.
I wonder how many others there are out there doing that?
jim
What I am lacking most is a clear understanding of the mathematics.
I dabble, but I still feel like a lot is missing from my knowledge.
I don't understand statistics and game theory deeply enough to really address balance. Not that I don't want to understand it. And I've tried (but I think in some ways failed) with the FtM formula. And the Aces formula is even worse, in my mind.
So I have been fighting myself trying to get a new FtM formula to work out. I've gone to the Defiance formulae to get an army/unit/element balance but I have trouble going farther than a little bit into it. I will get there, it will just take a while. And a dedicated focus.
But I think that MJ12 has always made a serious effort to provide a method of determining effectiveness of a unit/element/army. Now what people do with that as far as balance is concerned is up to the scenario.
However, I am firm in the belief that statistical balance is possible regardless of the variables.
Logical balance may provide a quicker short-term solution, but it will always be flawed. By logical, I mean playtested values. Orc 1 is worth 10 points, but if you add a spear he is worth 15 points because he kills 1.5 more opponents with the spear.
Additionally, the most super-powered army may have a significant flaw that can be exploited regardless of the method of assigning a combat rating.
<whew!>
yeah, but I don't want any of those... nobody plays mecha games any more 
http://estore.xtreme-hobby.com/pigiron.html
Want these to go with the SST MI!
but $40 each whoah!
Perhaps put an entry in the FAQ concerning it so that the problem is 'officially acknowledged' but fixing it will have to wait. You can then include a link for players who want it fixed to point to a revised formula (either mine or whatever thing you find you like).
I think I'd like to wait to make sure there's no other problems before I decide to make that an official problem ticket.
jim
Dan, your solution does this to the numbers
old way new dan %diff
1 1 1 2 2 100.00%
1 1 2 4 3 75.00%
1 1 3 6 4 66.67%
1 2 1 4 3 75.00%
1 2 2 8 4.5 56.25%
1 2 3 12 6 50.00%
1 3 1 6 4 66.67%
1 3 2 12 6 50.00%
1 3 3 18 8 44.44%
2 1 1 3 4 133.33%
2 1 2 6 6 100.00%
2 1 3 9 8 88.89%
2 2 1 6 6 100.00%
2 2 2 12 9 75.00%
2 2 3 18 12 66.67%
2 3 1 9 8 88.89%
2 3 2 18 12 66.67%
2 3 3 27 16 59.26%
3 1 1 4 6 150.00%
3 1 2 8 9 112.50%
3 1 3 12 12 100.00%
3 2 1 8 9 112.50%
3 2 2 16 13.5 84.38%
3 2 3 24 18 75.00%
3 3 1 12 12 100.00%
3 3 2 24 18 75.00%
3 3 3 36 24 66.67%Is that what you wanted?
Or did I make yet another idiotic mistake in the points formula?
I say leave it.
I agree with murtalianconfederacy: leave it be.
However, there is a flaw in the formula .
However, in the hundreds of Starmada games I've playe, it has made little to no difference in the outcome of the game.
Weapons with a ROF of 3 may not have a range that exceeds 9. Fluff could say that having such a number of weapons that the sheer energy involved to attack ships above range 9 would shatter the vessel. Thus giving a solution where high ROF weapons are primarily used for fighters.
As far as Im concerned, there is no flaw.
Addressing that flaw in the system with the range cap is both admitting that the flaw changes the outcome of battle and forcing an uncomfortable arbitrariness about the construction system.
Uncle_Joe: can you come up with a 1000pt scenario using current Starmada: X rules for ship construction that effectively demonstrates that 3/1/1 weapons and 1/1/3 weapons are inherently different during play? A good scenaro will have balanced fleets and no cheese (other than the 3/1/1 weapon )
If you can, and I can play that scenario and see the difference, then I will admit the flaw in the math makes a difference. You will find no greater advocate of the-math-flaw-makes-a-difference camp than.
I reiterate: The flaw exists, and, as far as I'm concerned has made no difference to date.
Honestly, I've been playing Starmada for a really long time, and I've never noticed the huge difference as you're implying here between 1/1/3 and 3/1/1 ships.
but the beauty of Starmada is that you can change it if you like.
However, I don't think I'll follow until it bocomes "official"
what happened to the plane!
I like it! except why are there only three boxes in a set?
It looks like it should be
OOOOO OO
right?
jimbeau wrote:Let's play the black sox years (duck)
Okay... there was ONE Black Sox year (1919), and I was tempted to include them anyway.
But my formula says the 1916 team was the best (odd, considering they came in second in the AL). Weird...
Sorry.
Picky picky picky.
Let's play the black sox years (duck)
oh yeah!
Hopefully we'll be bringing a couple new ideas with us!
But mostly I'll be playing Aces and FtM.
http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php?sid=20532
Well done Demian!
Well done indeed!
okay, now that DOES piquet my interest!
I do like the top half bottom half thing.
How will these stats work for something like, say, DODGEBALL!
Here's to a long life and a merry one.
A quick death and an easy one.
A pretty girl and an honest one.
A cold beer—and another one!
Can't promise anything, but there's new things in the works on that front too!
jim
yes, you are correct. Sorry, I didn't even think about it.
jim
thanks, I've updated it,
(I assumed your earlier post was implied permission. I apologize for that lack of discretion. I have sometimes got a problem with that )
When I get the votes tallied
Hmm.... wonder where you got THAT idea from, Jim. Smile
http://mj12games.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=50
shoot, I meant to include that link, thanks Dan, you re MY hero!
I can rebuild it. so I only need your permission.
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