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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

thedugan wrote:

Blackronin wrote:
So let's make killer Zeppelins.
Where are the rules? Where are the rules?

...next supplement? Unless you want to do some google-fu and figure out some general rules about building hydrogen airships. That's Dan's department - the heavy math...

I have the ideas. I don't have the heavy maths, just the light maths.  sad  Not that I would mind, mind you. But I followed another trek and maths stayed behind.

And I do like the idea of heavy and slow monsters moving around each other and firing broadsides, since of course, we would admit, (would we, mr. Daniel?)  :roll:  that turrets would be heavy on a lighter than air airship.

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(50 replies, posted in Game Design)

I voted Starmada because it's grand!
8-)
And... because there wasn´t another suplement for IRON STARS in the batch! :mrgreen:
neutral

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

Okay, Admiral Dungan, I already acepted the Zepps.  :?

thedugan wrote:

And I'd stick with Hydrogen as a lifting gas. The Hindenburg went 'kablooey' due to using something akin to thermite as a paint on it's skin, not because of the hydrogen. Wasserstahl as a containment would eliminate that problem.

On that, a lot of zepps went kaboom, using Hydrogen, the US stop using it and traded to helium after some very dangerous accidents, and the germans continue to have explosions due the use of Hydrogen, after the US decided not to sell more helium to the nazis.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Lighter_than_air/dirigibles/LTA9.htm

As for the C-47 Gunship, I build it when I was a kid in a marvelous 1/72 Airfix model.  smile

I love the DC-3/C-47. I think it's one of the major state of the art vehicles (with the willis Jeep) that the USA ever made.

So let's make killer Zeppelins.

Where are the rules? Where are the rules?

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(83 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

First: After receiving some clarifications on data and canon in the IS universe from Mr. Daniel and Admiral Dungan, I edited the story so far and made the changes that permited the flowing of logic. I could not take out the free fall belts, but they became more logic within the universe. I maintained the possibility of a ethership being used to go up and down vertically in the atmosphere like an elevator, but creating a tornado in the process. If Mr. Daniel doesn't vetoe this idea I'll keep it in the story.

Second: Today morning, I played with my students, I'm a teacher, a rpg, a very loose one, in this universe, and as dice rule, I used a variation of the rules in IS. 1D4, 1d6. 1D8, etc, and the basic target number was half the dice number. Target number to 1D4 = 2, etc. Statistics were based on the following: Strenght 1 = 1D4, Strength 2 = 1D6, etc. The normal statistic being 2. The interesting part: A player with strength 2 can choose to roll a D6 or a D4, because:

A D4 without modifiers get 75% of having a sucess and a D6 without modifiers gets 66% of having a sucess. But with negative modifiers, it's better to roll a D6 than a D4 and so on.

Problems: Positive modifiers, damage, etc.

Though there were problems, my students (between 15 and 18 years old) loved the system and the universe.

And, I had to invent a lot, not having a system to base my calls.

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

cricket wrote:

Well, we've pretty much established that ether-ships won't function in atmosphere

Okay. I'll abide by that one. :cry:  But can ether-ship at least go up and down vertically? To land? It would be easier to load and unload. And it would give us an inch of maneuver to do other things...

cricket wrote:

With the additional Wasserstahl/hydrosteel as a tough yet light exoskin, and replacement of hydrogen with a less explosive gas, Zeppelins could easily carve out an important niche in warfare.

Yes, we can suppose zepps would be an interesting choice. Helium would do it. Although more expensive it wouldn't explode as hydrogen would.

cricket wrote:

Heck, the airplane dominated WW2, both on land and over the sea, yet you can't mount a 12" gun on one of those, either...

Sure. But palnes are heavier than air. Planes had an amount of speed that gave them other kind protection. Zepps are very slow. Completely took out the zeppelins from WWI when they appeared and several times during the 2th war someone tried to put a big cannon in one of them and several actually had pretty big cannons. The 75mm cannon in the b-25 Mitchel, the experimental 3inch cannon in the Beaufighter, and some more that I don't have in mind right now.

Ei. I'm not saying I won't go for the zepps, I just think it would be more unique the other path.

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

As for Zeppelins, airships, dirigibles, blips, etc, it does't start hurricanes, it crashes on hurricanes.
Are a poor weapon mount because... it leaks.
One too many crew member and it can't lift up in the air.
You want to go west, but the wind is blowing south, so you go south-west.
It's fun for an expedition adventure, but will it work against the kind of fire power already created in this universe?

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

But! We can always say:

Plex, can you pass me the Googles, Admiral...

sad Sorry, I can't help myself. Words play in my head, sir.  :shock:

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(83 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

From the diary of the Lt-Captain Afonso Miranda Teles, Captain of the Light Cruiser "Cidade de Lisboa" and Commander of the Venus Expedition:

September 27, 1911.
Only by now I have the time to write down the events that followed our first encounter with the humanoid Venusians. Mr. Fernando Pessoa gathered himself after the first shock and told us that those who were communicating with him in his head called themselves the "Ainduren" and were grateful for our help in expelling the Karroon. I must say that I never had the pretension of taking credit for that, but as I will explain later, things worked in a way I could not control. Maintaining the rest of the fleet much above the ground, more to their own protection than to avoid the turbulence of the air over the city I ordered the cruiser to land. As we left the ship, the air was mild and completely breathable, having a strange but not bad smell. To my astonishment in front of me a group of bluish humanoids waited. As I studied their forms, two notions become clear to me. The entire group was composed of females, if breasts and hips are a universal trait for humanoid females and secondly they weren't afraid and seemed excited and happy with our arrival. One of them advanced some steps and approached Mr. Fernando Pessoa, which, in a most civilized way bowed to the humanoid female. After that he looked at me and said that she was asking me if she could talk in my mind. I confess that the thought was very disturbing but I accepted finding no way past around this. And then a voice sang in my mind and if i wasn't a little afraid I would think that it was the most beautiful thing it ever happened to me. We talked for some time and she told me many things about her people and Venus, or Anidar as they call their planet. I will try to summarize what she told me and what happened after that.

First. The other race they were fighting is called Karroon. They are amphibious beings with eight legs and a strong tail fin. Almost all creatures in Venus are octopod. They are brown or purple and have a big globoid body with big eyes. Of the eight legs, two are arms. They are very strong and dwell in shallow waters where they build underwater cities. They build devices that work with a kind of energy that I could not understand very well, though Sa'atia (the name of the Ainduren female) has tried to explain me several times. It has to do with salt. I have been into one of these vehicles that were destroyed in the battlefield and it seemed to me very impressive.

Second. The Ainduren know that they aren't originally from Venus. They say that they are as we are. And of course I could not pretend I didn't see the similarities. They are smaller, 5 feet tall, they are skinny, maybe the gravity being less made them this way, they have an head as big as ours, but a longer neck. Their hands are bigger than ours but in the females, still very gracious. Their hair is much thicker, looking almost alive, and as I pointed this, Sa'atia told me that this was on account of their telepathy. She can speak a language I don't understand, but she told me that the language is only to speak with children for they only acquire telepathy when they reach puberty. She has a very sweet voice.

Third. They fight a war with the Karroon ever since they can remember. They only stopped fighting them when the asteroids started to fall in Anidar and strange and horrid beast firing an hot ray raised from the asteroids. I told her about the Martian invasion. They don't have telescopes due the eternal clouds in the sky so they don't know that there are other planets, but they suspected and their legends also confirm this. At the attack of the Martians, the Karroom and the Ainduren stop fighting themselves and though they didn't allied themselves, both races tried to fight the Martians. To their surprise and relieve the Martians started to die for themselves and after a fashion disappeared in the bottom of the oceans. Some cities were burned to the ground and people kidnapped but it all ended 15 Venusians years ago.

Fourth. They have dirigibles or zeppelins, lighter than air aircrafts, to move from island to island and they don't use ships for the Karroon sink it all. There are, as we suspected, two big islands. This is called Atra'tia and the other in the other pole is called Atra'ud'atria. The smaller islands are one hundred and eighty six habitable ones and near the equator there are several deserted ones.

Fifth. The strangest thing is that we have met yet no males of the Ainduren. As I casually asked for these I felt a sense of terrible sadness and danger. I'll ask no more of that for the time being.

Sixt. We have visited the city that was being attacked and we were most impressed. The buildings are beautiful and very opened and the way the few children we saw played around gave me the feeling of trust that I needed to send for the other ships. We have been here since yesterday and already we tasted their food that harmed us not. Just some intestinal flatulence, but I think we will eventually accommodate with this for the food is very tasteful.

Last. Tomorrow we will see one of their most reverend places. They call it the "Arriving" and I was told that I will understand it fully when we arrive there. By zeppelin. I am a bit concerned with this, but I'll go along, although I gave some very precise instructions to my second in command, Commander O'Dunagan, the American Captain of the Destroyer "Edward". We will see.

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

I think that Admiral Dungan has a nice sound to it.  wink

For instants:

"I say. In the battle of the Belt, the Greeks wouldn't have a chance of reaching Ganymedes, if it wasn't for the cunning strategies of Admiral Dungan."

:ugeek:

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(11 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

It's nothing, Daniel, just a poor joke.

It's a joke about "ketsu giri", a japanese paradox about duty and honor.

In "ketsu giri" whatever happens it's always your fault, because you supposely had the duty to prevent others to lose honor by pointing first what they shouldn't do, but if you had the arrogance of doing it you would lose honor so you couldn't do it, so if you didn't do it you weren't making your duty, but if you make your duty, and so on and so on...

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

I never doubt of Admiral Dugan capacities for give us splendid images of our imaginarium! No, sir, oho no!

And for the record, I love Zeppelins, but there are just so much zeppelins can do... 11' cannons and zeppelins don't go together. Or they would go together until the cannon fired the first time...

And when you arrived on other planets you would have to do everything so similar to reality. A shuttle of some kind, etc, etc, while if you could descent with the aethership it would be more poetic and epic.

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(11 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

Yes. I admit it.  :roll:

I didn't want to point it at you so you wouldn't become embarassed and now I am myself covered in shame for not having done it.   :oops:

   
Shame. Shame. Shame.

:oops:  :oops:  :evil:

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

thedugan wrote:
cricket wrote:

For the record, I'm leaning towards Zeppelin-type craft over air-ships in the vein of Aeronef.

I'm a bit dissappointed, but not really surprised. Cavorite would be expensive, more so than armor plate for battleships.

I'm also desapointed and not as much convinced as our Admiral.
Cavorite would be expensive, but you wouldn't need very much of it in order to lift a battleship, would you?

thedugan wrote:

Also, having Aeronaughts and Civilian use of such a resource would fundamentally alter the world, to such a degree that we'd be remiss NOT to change the political landscape radically in response. Having a very different world would loose some of the charm of the Iron Stars Setting, and make it just another 'alternate universe'. It would also require us to work a LOT harder to make things for it that fit.....

Not necessarily.It would have the effect of the zeppelin-type craft if it was slow enough. But we would be able to fight titanic battles in sky with great amored airships. So it would be possible to be used by civilians, and still the great powers would maintain their boots over the world. Probably even more strongly. Ten battleships over Paris?

And more even. We could use aetherships again airbattleships, where the disavantage would go to the aetherships, for most of it's space and weight would have to be used with sealing systems and casimir engines.

And don't forget the beauty of a ethership floating over the landscape of Io or Venus.

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

Before anyone else, let me be the first one to congratolate you, Admiral, sir.
:roll:

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

cricket wrote:
thedugan wrote:

Not so much, I suspect. Remember, Cavor was dense enough to have created such a large piece to START with. I have serious misgivings about his ability to think ahead. He wrecked his shed by creating an artifical tornado - but I suspect we'd have no reason to worry about Anarchists using cavorite to strip our atmosphere away.

Perhaps, perhaps not. But I don't want to rely on a mere "the narrator was mistaken" excuse -- since the integrity of the narrators of Wells' books is the basis for our whole universe.

It would be an interesting use of cavorite to form disruptive 'air walls' as defense against aircraft, though...

Yup. smile

As for that the rational explanation it would be easy to find. Try this image:

The cavorite effect as the effect of water coming out of a tube with enough pressure to leave the earth atmosphere, but with water appearing magically from the tube. Then you would put a sheet of metal over the tube, so that the flux of water would send up the sheet of metal and the water itself would pour to the sides. After that, we would connect the sheet of metal to the tube, so that the all "engine" would rise into the atmosphere. At a given point we could heat up and down the the cavorite that would put it on and off several times per minute so that the "machine" would stay airborne. After that some horizontal propulsion and we have a grav vehicle. If not, at least the "umbrella" wouldn't let the air leak into the space in a fountain way.

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(11 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

Yes. I admit it.
sad
I was covered in shame with your astronomical knowledge and so I pretended to ignore it so I wouldn't become embarassed.  :oops:

:oops:  :oops:  :oops:
Shame. Shame. Shame.

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

Hi Daniel:

I'm starting to piece all the internal logic pieces of your wonderful universe together. It wasn't easy in the begining, but it is still very refreshing. Adding to what TheDugan has said before, your explanation is most revealing.

So we have a alternate reality where science turned a bit to other path. Instead of internal combustion engines being the core of our way of life, this universe leans into a more electro-magnetic machinery way of thinking.

Also, the ether, "au contraire" to the ideas of 19th century doesn't affect solid matter, isn't in a fashion breathable and it's very cold. So if we would have space roaming creatures, these creatures would have to have strong electric properties.

As for the Spacial expeditions, what I meant was that I like the late 19th century and early 20th century expeditons to the ends of our world, mixed a bit with the description, not necessarily with the horror imput, of "The Mountains of Madness", by Lovcraft, or the films in earlies 20's where the explorers would find the forgotten cities of long lost civilizations in the middle of the Himalayas.

Not steam-punk at all. Only a mix of Corto Maltese and space travel.

When I speak in atomics it's not about the knowledge or the bombs, it's about the frame of mind of an atomic society versus the Edwardian society.

Am I babbling too much?

  :x

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

Yes, sir, mister Vice Admiral, sir!!  :wink:  Just stopped singing!
Before anything else I'd like to congratulate you on your very near change in Ranking. I hope the pay goes up as well, sir!
:?

And I am sorry to have resorted to such a lowly way as the Major-General routine to get your attention. Next time I swear that I'll halt myself in the Groucho Brothers.  :roll:

As for the scientific explanation, I've read it all, and I get it more clearly.

I would argue with you with the golem being magic devices, but it's of minor importance, and I would lose against the MTG folklore.

With all you have opened I can go on labouring my idea.

I wasn't clear enough but Ialso meant very slow progression of technology, or at least the open to the humans technology. I would like to have the martians to have a kind of tech that would be so alien that it would be seen by us as being in the domain of the occult and the macabre.

Thanks again for your kind help.  big_smile

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(38 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

After waiting and biting my nails on this, I think I can sweetten things up by giving music to the excellent gentlemen that command this forum so that they will answer my questions. You can sing it in the bathroom, to your wives or girlfriends, in front of tv, or just to yourselves. Given is, that it must be sang very quickly and manly. Please, be my guests. If you do not find the strenght (use the force, Luke...) in yourselves to do it, I kindly put two links below so taht you could enjoy it in the fine representation of others. And very spacely also.

The Major-General Song (with most interesting notations below for the more exquisitive)

I am the very model of a modern Major-General,
I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical,
From Marathon(1) to Waterloo, in order categorical;
I 'm very well acquainted too with matters mathematical,
I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical,
About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news ­
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.

(Chorus)
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse;
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse;
With many cheerful facts about the square of the
hypote- potenuse.
   
I'm very good at integral and differential calculus,
I know the scientific names of beings animalculous(2);
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Major-General.

(Chorus)
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
He is the very model of a modern Major-General

I know our mythic history, King Arthur's and Sir Caradoc's
I answer hard acrostics(3), I've a pretty taste for paradox,
I quote in elegaic(4) all the crimes of Heliogabalus(5)
In conics(6) I can floor peculiarities parabolous.
I can tell undoubted Raphaels from Gerard Dows(7) and Zoffanies(7),
I know the coaking chorus from the Frogs of Aristophanes(8),
Then I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's din afore,
And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore(9).

Then I can write a washing bill in Babylonic cuneiform(10),
And tell you every detail of Caractacus's(11) uniform;
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Major-General.

(Chorus)
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
He is the very model of a modern Major-General

In fact, when I know what is meant by 'mamelon'(12) and 'ravelin,'(12)
When I can tell at sight a Mauser rifle from a javelin,
When such affairs as sorties(13) and surprises I'm more wary at,
And when I know precisely what is meant by 'commissariat,'(14)
When I have learnt what progress has been made in modern gunnery,
When I know more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery;
In short, when I've a smattering of elemental strategy,
You'll say a better Major-General had never sat a gee(15). -

For my military knowledge, though I'm plucky and adventury,
Has only been brought down to the beginning of the century;
But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Major-General.

(Chorus)
But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
He is the very model of a modern Major-General!

(1) Marathon - Ancient battle between the Greeks and the Persians. And later the idea and effort of a soldier would be used to create a sport challenge.
(2) Animalcule - a microscopic organism
(3) acrostic - a type of word puzzle
(4) elegiac - a classical verse form
(5) Heliogabalus - a corrupt Roman emperor
(6) conics - mathematics dealing with parabolic and hyperbolic curves.
(7) Dow, Zoffany - portraitists
(8) Aristophanes - ancient Greek playwright who parodied politicians as croaking frogs
(9) Pinafore - HMS Pinafore, Gilbert and Sullivan's earlier opera
(10) cuneiform - ancient writing made with wedges on clay tablets
(11) Caractacus - chief of the ancient Britons (who fought nude)
(12) mamelon, ravelin - features of Vaubain's famous fort design system
(13) sortie - a short military raid
(14) commissariat - the military branch in charge of food supplies
15) gee - a horse

If your excellencies aren't stunned enough, please proceed to the following links, in order presented please and then, return and answer "me" questions in the uppermost petition. (Singing) "I am the very model of a modern Major-General..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSGWoXDFM64&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQ-y589mx8

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(83 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

From the diary of the Lt-Captain Afonso Miranda Teles, Captain of the Light Cruiser "Cidade de Lisboa" and Commander of the Venus Expedition:

September 23, 1911.
The crystal planet, as everybody now calls Venus is almost at my hands grasp. Today we stopped all engines. It was difficult to relay the order to the other ships, but we managed to do it. Between us and the planet a small satellite floats in a high orbit, seeming to look at us. I sent the Frigate "Moçambedes" to investigate and as she was at range, the satellite spitted a coherent beam of fire revealing it's true nature. The Martians are, or have been, here. I guess that our fleet of four warships and one civil ship isn't a match for the beast. We will now start to circumnavigate the satellite in order to reach the Venusians atmosphere. I'm not happy at all with this and the crew, after these months of monotonous travel, with the exception of the 12 August incident, is in a terrible mood.

September, 24 1911.
We have made our first low orbit observation of this planet. Where the clouds have let us peek the surface, we saw almost only water. This is a water world. There is a large island, of continental proportions in each of both poles, but all over the planet we have found only smallish archipelagos of islands. Tomorrow, if we don't find any threat, we'll land in the North Pole continent. The bad humour seems to have abandoned the crew of all our ships and I ordered the opening of a casket of wine. Even I long for a sweet sip of it...

September 25, 1911
Even now, that the night has fallen over us, even if only because I close the entrance of light in my quarters, as the day and night in Venus have almost the same duration of half an year, I can't calm down. We met one of the two intelligent species that inhabits this strange planet. And happily now we know that there are no Martians here. Oh, but I must start from the beginning, for the information in my head is much and so new that I fear I will not be able to put it all on paper. We decided to go down as a fleet over a peninsula in the North Pole continent. There is no ice here and the poles are the places where it seems that the weather temperature is more acceptable to us. Then, when we were at six miles over it, the clouds opened and we saw a small city. We were astonished and I almost pulled back. But then curiosity stayed my hand and we started to see huge fires and signs of fighting. At almost one mile over the city that is very near the sea we could watch the battle. It was easy to understand who were the opposite contenders, since they were so different. At one side we watch strange vehicles, almost like giant amphibians, rising from the wave and shooting enormous catapults that spilled a dark fire into the city and against big mechanic walkers that fired back explosive arrows from strange ballista like arms. We were astonished. Mr. Correia was magnificent with his steady hand over the controls as we hovered over the battlefield. And then, they took notion of us. It couldn't be helped, since by then, the air being jogged by the permanence of the ship in the atmosphere was starting to build quite a few whirlwinds. The battle came to a stop and the creatures from the sea retired hastily. The others just stared at us and us at them. And then... then Mr. Fernando Pessoa told us with a very thin voice that we were being invited to land. They were politely asking it in his head. There's so much more but I'm most tired so I'll write the rest after I sleep a pair of hours.

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(83 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

These are the most important ships in the Portuguese War Fleet since 1900 to 1923:

Battleship: "Vasco da Gama";

Cruisers: "D. Carlos I", "S. Gabriel", "S. Rafael", "Adamastor", "Rainha D. Amélia", "Almirante Reis" and "República";

Auxiliar Cruisers: "Pedro Nunes" and "Gil Eannes";

Light Cruiser: "Vouga", "Tejo", "Lima", "Douro", "Dão";

Corvettes: "Bartolomeu Dias", "Estefânia", "Duque da Terceira", "Sá da Bandeira", "Rainha de Portugal" e "Mindelo";

Colonial Corvettes: "Save", "Lurio", "Pátria", "Chaimite", "Limpopo", "Açor", "Bengo", "Mandovi" and "Beira";

Destroyers: "Tâmega", "Sado", "Rio Lima", "Quanza", "Bengo", "Mandovi",
"Rio Ave", "Guadiana", "Tavira", "Faro", "Lagos", "D. Luís", "Diu", "Zambeze", "Liberal" and "Zaire";

Fleet Transports: "Guiné", "Fulminante" "Álvaro de Caminha", "Salvador Correia", "Pêro de Alenquer", "Chinde", "Pébane" and "Pungué".

Class-Espadarte Submarine: "Espadarte";

Class-Foca Submarines: "Foca", "Golfinho" and "Hidra";

Mine-Layers: "Vulcano" and "Rio Sado";

School Ships: "D. Fernando II e Glória", "Duque de Palmela" and "Sagres".

I may have forgot and misplaced some ships. These were the times where the designations changed a lot and a frigate could be no bigger than a corvette or as big as a battleship. Then I had to translate to english with the right designation, so I might be in error somehow.

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(83 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

I searched for these portuguese light cruisers, later after wwII, suffered heavy modernization, mostly anti-air and ain-sub, and changed denomination to frigate, and they were not Tejo-class, but Vouga-class (vaya?) And the ships of that class were five: "Vouga", "Tejo", "Lima", "Douro" "Dão"; It's portuguese rivers names.

When I design a vehicle, starship or otherwise, I try always to give it a role. With all the pros and cons of that role. I don't like superships, and I like stories where you pitch an old design against modern enemies. The Wood exploding because he had a flaw in it's design is what thrills me in the "Hunting the Bismark story". Or the old Swordfish planes. Or the last stand of the polish cavalry against the german tanks.

I like to write the story around a ship or starcraft.

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(9 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

Frapp! I'm frappin' far from everybody. I added to Frapp and it's frappin' cute.

Frapp..

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(83 replies, posted in Iron Stars)

The Magalhães-class Heavy Cruiser is from the 1910 program for laying down a bigger cruiser capable of an extended range and performance in space. Using the hull of the Tejo class cruiser and extended it, the Magalhães has space for 4 small secondary weapons and extra load. The use of a more sloped hull gives the ship a bigger protection than the hull of the Tejo class. But the most interesting feature of this ship is the use of less powerful torpedoes, but more acurate since the role of this ship is protection of convoys and the engaging of smaller vessels. The "Magalhães" was launched in February 1911, followed by the "Diogo Cão" three months later. The most interesting detail of these two vessels is the bust of the two portuguese navigators in the prow of the ships.

Magalhães-class Heavy Cruiser (74 pts)
Hull: 15
HVP: 2
TR: 6, AV: 3
Primary: 4/d10(x2)
Secondary: 4/d6(x1)
Light: 6/d4(x1)
Torpedoes: 3/d8(x3)
Equipment:
Machine Gun(2)
[Hull] [Armour] [Thrust] [Primary] [Secondary] [Light Guns]
[1-11] [12] [13-14] [15-16] [17-18] [19-20]

I like the biological perspective, the ecology of solar systems. The aether space corrents. What would live in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter?