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Wait, second edition Grand Fleets?
Well, the current one is good if you want the more in-depth stuff anyway. has stats for things like the pre-dreads, too, as well as taking into account things like the Dreadnought's array of 12-pdr guns, though in an abstract way.
Now, where did I leave my conversion of the Omaha...
- The DM has to spend $100 to run it. Goddamn Ha$bro moneygrubbers.
Only if you don't know where to look. Amazon sells the three-pack for $60-65.
Here's a better idea.
Don't listen to the internet hyperbolic chamber. Go to Barnes & Noble or something, get a coffee, relax, and read over the books yourself.
I have to admit, I didn't see this coming. Expected like the Spanish Inquisition, I tell ya.
What he really did fear was the two big guns I had put on the Galactica: rng 30, 1/3+/3/5, Piercing, Double Damage, [AB] arcs. I have since found some information on what the new BG is supposed to have for armament so have redesigned it (no big guns :cry: ). I like those big guns as I figure, if I ever do hit and penetrate, I want them to actually feel it instead of the usual few pinpricks
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Of course, if you were using the old Galactica, those guns would be fine and dandy.
Makes me wish that there was some kind of "Limited Endurance" Disad for fighters, like... If the fighters are out for more than X amount of turns, attackers get a +1 to hit against them. Or something.
thedugan wrote:yes, I think there used to be some in the Yahoo list archives.
Might check there....
What's the name of the Yahoo group?
I looked in starmadaxshipyard, but I didn't see any Star Wars stuff there. Is there another group?
Try mj12games.
Well, the big thing that comes to mind is that the top and bottom drivers on the Kushan frigate have much wider arcs, and the side turrets can also shoot to the rear.
I'm also not entirely sold on seekers being the best way to represent the Missile destroyer's armament, due to the fact that, for all purposes, the destroyer's launchers do have unlimited ammo. I'm thinking a vessel with a number of slow-firing, anti-fighter standard weapons tagged as missiles. That way you get the missile death syndrome, plus the effects of blowing your wad if you launch all of your missiles at once.
Well, possibly...
The conventions I've been at with Dan and Jim where they've run a "tournament" have been a fixed map format. In other words, the tactic of running away and shooting with rear weapons wouldn't be allowed.
I believe I do remember players bringing very slow, long ranged weaponry. But it's been several years, and at that time there weren't any weapons with ranges longer than 15 or so.
Kevin
Plus, Range-30 is an optional rule anyway- It's something that has to be allowed by mutual consent rather than disallowed.
To talk more on Nahuris's points:
As a Battletech veteran, I can concur on the terrain issue. While longer ranged weapons do dominate on totally featureless terrain, the way that most of the default maps are set up mean that 'Mechs or tanks rarely rarely get to use their weapons to the fullest extent of their range, due to the way the LOS is often broken up. Using cover, a mobile, close machine could actually force an assault on a longer-ranged 'Mech, or force it to give up an advantageous firing position by doing so. The combination of this, plus the fact that most long-range weapons have an in-built minimum range attack penalty that ranges from the moderate to the ridiculous means that close-attack strategies are viable on most Battletech maps, far more so than they are on an empty space battlefield. The designers felt comfortable in having ranges of 20+ hexes because there are so many ways to break up LOS, allowing short-range assaults to work.
As for the scenario, I'd run it again with more typical units: It may just simply be difficult to defend a target in Starmada.
Hello everyone,
I just ordered the Adimiral edition and the ISS and I have a couple of hopefully easy questions.
When it is a ship's turn to fire, does it take a shot with all of it's weapon batteries or just one shot per Weapon (X, Y and Z)? Meaning, if a ship has a AB AB AC AC, they would get a total of 4 separate attacks if a target was in the A arc (possibly more if the weapons ROF was more than 1)?
Yep. The target could be subject to all four attacks, if you wanted it that way.
If the 4 separate attackes is true above... Can a ship fire each of the individual batteries at a different target? Using the example above, could the ship fire each battery at a separate ship if there were 4 different targets in the A arc?
Absolutely.
Finally, when a weapon gets hit, how do you determine which batteries are destroyed?
The defender chooses which one is destroyed.
While I have enjoyed the side-discussion on optional rules and what is, and is not, cheddar...
Agreed- Cheddar discussion should go in the appropriate forum.
Anyway, I have put up the basic combat ships of one of my fleets, if anyone would like to take a crack at it. I'd do up some of the auxiliary/specialty ships right after, but Grad school brooks no delay.
Actually, all damage is rolled immediately... there is no ongoing effect across turns.
Yeah, I just caught that... That shows me for looking up Mekton stuff right before posting around here.
Wait... If I roll an 1,3,5 with extra hull damage I'll do 6 damage? So in my previous example the 1,2,3,4,5,6 will do 9 point of damage?
Yep. It always does an extra point of hull damage on top of any other damage effects, including other hull damage. Another thing to remember is that Continuous damage is damage over time, rather than instantaneously- you'd get that 9-2-2-2 immediately, rather than 6-4-4-3 over the course of four turns.
In other words, while you might get 6-4-4-3 eventually, the hypothetical first round exchange was 9-2-2-2 vs. 3-2-2-2.
Also, if the target-ship has armored hull, andyour first roll is a 1, then you do no hull damage and then stop. :shock:
No engine damage, either. And I believe that EHD still deals that point of hull damage on a roll of one to Armor-Plated ships. I know it was clarified on this board, I just can't find the post...
Those nine points of hull damage also reduce the ship's capacity to repair already damaged systems, make it more susceptible to capture, and, should the ship have less than ten hull points, result in the absolute destruction of the ship.
The thing is, with EHD, even with the most unfavorable damage roll, you're absolutely guaranteed one hull hit for every damage point rolled on top of any other damage done, which isn't the case for any other weapon system in the game. Continuous damage weapons don't have that guarantee, or even of getting a second roll at all due to its mechanics. Extra system damage is nice, but it's hull damage that has the most direct, concrete contribution to removing a ship from play.
The Terran Self-Defense force was originally built in response to space piracy and other rebellious forces within the sphere of dominance possessed by Earth. However, the spread of humanity was not without consequence. Sectors were colonized that were too far away for Earth to effectively extend its reach to, and these various frontier states began to swell, becoming nations in their own right. Border pushed against border, and while the situation was tense, there was never any thought about interstellar conflict between the various star nations that had sprung out of the void. However, the other national forces began to test the patience and resolve of Earth- buzzing a comm station here, destroying a stray satellite there- soon enough Earth was locked in a cold struggle with its various neighbors. While it hasn't developed into total interstellar war, low-level combat has broken out over disputed zones between nations. Nobody says they're at war, but the form letters that come home to people across Terran space speak otherwise to the bloody reality of duty on the fringe.
The Terran fleet has its roots in policing, but as interstellar war seems to be a non-zero possibility, ships for high-intensity conflict are being commissioned at a rapid rate. Carrier ships and battleships are being produced for the first time since the inception of the Terran SDF, vessels whose only purpose is to wage long-term conflict against the navies of an organized star nation.
Dynamic-class DN
The Dynamic-class is the first attempt to build a large battleship- a vessel that both carried the defenses and firepower for sustained fleet engagements against the navies of other star-faring nations. The massive layers of armor on the vessel, as well as its shield generators give the vessel incredible survivability against enemy warships. it is the first vessel to mount the Mod-2 Fusion-Bore cannon, carrying six of them and being able to reliably put three on any enemy vessel. The deadliest feature of the weapon, however, is it's ability to defeat the defenses of other ship, giving it an even greater chance to score significant damage. Its other features, however, are wholly unremarkable- Unlike other vessels, it possesses no real anti-fighter defense. It's secondary guns, while powerful, are far to inaccurate for anti-fighter work, being built for when, presumably, the battleship mixes it up in knife-fighting range. While it mounts twelve plasma cannons, only four can realistically be brought to bear at a time, and are generally ineffective except as almost the shortest of ranges. It is largely dependent on other vessels for fighter defense, meaning that using one for independent missions is risky at the very best.
(708) Dynamic-class Terran Dreadnought
Hull: 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1
Shields: 5 5 5 4 4 4 3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1 1
Weapons:
1:XY 2:XY 3:X 4:Y 5:Y 6:Y
X: Fusion-Bore cannon Mod-2: 5/10/15, 1/4+/3/2
Piercing
[AC][AC][AC][BD][BD][BD]
Y: Plasma bolter: 3/6/9, 1/5+/2/1
Range-Based DMG
[CE][CE][CE][CE][DF][DF][DF][DF][AB][AB][AB][AB]
Special: Hyperdrive; Armor Plating, Marines (10)
Churchill-class BC
Until the beginning of the "Shadow War", the Churchill-class Battlecruiser was the largest vessel in use by the Terran SDF- Indeed, it was the only vessel classified as a capital ship in production for over thirty years. It is not an elegant ship, having a boxy, angular aesthetic that, while efficient, is thoroughly unpleasant to the eyes. It isn't even technically equipped for fleet engagements, instead being built as a flagship for counter-pirate operations. Its three fusion-bore cannons, while powerful, do not deliver the same weight of long-range fire found on more line-of-battle oriented ships. It's main firepower is in a set of eight fast-firing particle-cannon batteries, designed to engage and shoot down the more nimble, short-ranged raider ships that had caused the more big-gun oriented Norway-class BC so much grief. The ship has two saving graces, however- First, the ship is that it is packed with as many electronics as the Terran SDF could cram in, increasing its probability of survival if caught unawares, as well as the accuracy of the notoriously unreliable particle cannons (The weapon's volleys are so innacurate that only one-third of its shots are considered to have a chance of scoring hits at its longer ranges). The second is that it "Has more engines than sense", possessing a massive drive section that, while precluding it from carrying any rear-facing heavy weapons, allows it an impressive acceleration profile usually only found in smaller cruisers.
(383) Churchill-class Terran Battlecruiser
Hull: 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: 5 5 5 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1
Shields: 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1 1
Weapons:
1:X 2:X 3:Y 4:Y 5:Y 6:Y
X: Fusion bore gun: 5/10/15, 1/4+/3/2
[G][AC][BD]
Y: Particle cannons: 3/6/9, 1/5+/2/1
Range-Based ROF
[AB][AB][AC][AC][BD][BD][EF][EF]
Special: Hyperdrive; Fire Control; Countermeasures; Marines (10)
Hecatonchires-class CV.
Fighters have traditionally been the domain of system-defense stations. The logistics train involved in keeping fighters supplied on-board carrier ships has meant that they have generally been deemed useless for anti-piracy operations due to the swift speed required in undertaking such missions. They do remain excellent patrol-craft for in-system duties, however, capable of greater acceleration profiles than all but the most nimble warships. With the prospect of full-scale war, however, the firepower that the TD-34 Redtail attack ship can provide in larger engagements has been deemed too valuable to ignore. The Hekatonchiries-class was built, essentially, as a box to carry this small craft to other systems where it might do some good. The carrier has little offensive firepower for its size, carrying six particle cannon batteries to protect it from smaller vessels, but it's almost entirely helpless in the face of anything better-armed than a light cruiser. Most of its mass is devoted to huge hangar bays to house its compliment of fighters- And to alleviate the logistical troubles, the vessel carries a some supplies on its own for extended operations. These features greatly limits the capacity of the vessel to defend itself, so it is reliant on protection from its fighters as well as other vessels.
(829) Hecatonchires-class Terran Carrier
Hull: 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: 4 4 4 3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1
Shields: 4 4 4 3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1
Weapons:
1:X 2:X 3:X 4:X 5: 6:
X: Particle cannon: 3/6/9, 1/5+/2/1
Range-Based ROF
[AC][AC][BD][BD][EF][EF]
Special: Hyperdrive; Carrier (600); Marines (10); Cargo (50)
Carries eight squadrons of the following-
TD-34 Redtail attack ship (75)
Size-5 Speed-10 Attack 4+ Def: 1, Increased DMG-2
Alexander-class CA
The Alexander-class is an older model of cruiser that's normally used for close escort in the most dangerous areas of the buffer zone, though it has evolved into one of the most dependable warships in the fleet. There is little remarkable about most aspects of its design, save for the fact that it mounts the heavy fusion beam, the predecessor to the Fusion-bore cannon. it doesn't have the same range, nor the same ability to defeat screen defenses, but the sheer amount of power that is pumped into it makes it absolutely devastating upon hull-contact. over time, however, the weapon has been deemed utterly wasteful for inclusion in further designs due to its space inefficiency, and its continued construction is scheduled to be shut down within the next few years in order to re-tool the line for further construction of fusion-bore cannons. The sheer amount of damage that this vessel can do to an enemy's hull with each strike commands respect- Most raiders usually give convoys protected by an Alexander a pass unless they have some method of disabling the ship from beyond its attacking range.
(222) Alexander-class Terran Heavy Cruiser
Hull: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1
Shields: 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons:
1:X 2:X 3:Y 4:Y 5:Y 6:Y
X: Heavy Fusion Beam: 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/2
Extra Hull Damage
[AB][AB]
Y: Particle cannon: 3/6/9, 1/5+/2/1
Range-Based ROF
[AC][AC][BD][BD][AB]
Special: Hyperdrive; Marines (5)
(211) Alexander MkII (Projected Refit?)
Hull: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1
Shields: 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons:
1:X 2:X 3:Y 4:Y 5:Y 6:Y
X: Fusion-Bore cannon: 5/10/15, 1/4+/3/2
[AB][AB][AB]
Y: Particle cannon: 3/6/9, 1/5+/2/1
Range-Based ROF
[AC][AC][BD][BD][AB]
Special: Hyperdrive; Marines (5)
Custodes-class CL
The Custodes-class, in some form or another, has served in the Terran SDF for the past century in some form or another for the past 100-years. Admirals reminisce over the good-old days, recalling their tours on this manner of vessel perhaps more fondly than they should. The cruiser has been pressed into military service, upgraded with fusion beams and particle cannons, and forced into providing defense and supplemental firepower. The vessel, however, was not designed as a line-of battle ship- It's main weapons have a comparatively narrow set of firing arcs, and carry no heavy broadside armaments, meaning that they must be deployed in squadrons to cover each other's blind-spots in larger engagements. Its speed, while impressive for its size, is still mediocre when it comes to patrol ships- while it might keep pace with some raiders, it isn't one of the most nimble vessels around. As with all SDF vessels, cooperative tactics are essential to survival.
(145) Custodes-class Terran Patrol cruiser
Hull: 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: 6 6 5 4 3 2 1
Shields: 3 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons:
1:XY 2:XY 3:XY 4:Y 5:Y 6:Y
X: Fusion beam: 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/2
[AB][AB][EF]
Y: Particle cannons: 3/6/9, 1/5+/2/1
Variable ROF
[AC][AC][AC][BD][BD][BD]
Special: Hyperdrive; Marines (5)
Acheron-class DD
The Acheron is the newest vessel in the fleet- A modern destroyer equipped with state-of-the art weapons for patrol and defense. The ship is serving as a test-bed for the stabilized particle cannon- a revision of the weapon that should produce greater accuracy and a more consistent chance of hitting and scoring damage on enemy vessels. This has, however, come at the cost of any other useful ancillary systems. The lack of any electronics means that the vessel is actually more vulnerable to attack than its predecessor, the more offensively-oriented Erebus-class. Both destroyers are being kept in service until the field-testing provided by the Shadow War is complete.
(102) Acheron-class Terran Destroyer
Hull: 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: 7 6 5 3 2
Shields: 2 2 2 1 1
Weapons:
1:X 2:X 3:X 4:X 5:X 6:X
X: Stabilized particle cannon: 3/6/9, 2/4+/2/1
[AB][AB][AC][BD][EF]
Special: Hyperdrive; Marines (5)
(97) Erebus-class Terran Destroyer
Hull: 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: 7 6 5 3 2
Shields: 2 2 2 1 1
Weapons:
1:XY 2:X 3:Y 4:Y 5:Y 6:Y
X: Fusion beam: 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/2
[G]
Y: Particle Cannon: 3/6/9, 1/5+/2/1
Range-Based ROF
[AC][AC][BD][BD]
Special: Hyperdrive; Marines (5); Countermeasures</r>
Yeah... there generally isn't a reason to model every individual gun, depending on the scale of battle that you want to fight. The scale of the conversion really does depend on how many ships you want to have out on the table for a given battle.
In the shipbuilder program there is a repair option. Where is this in the rule book, I couldn't find it.
It's under Auxiliary Services, I believe.
So there is no downside to putting every weapon in a single battery? Seems to be more compact on the weapon chart that way.
Only one kind of weapon per battery.
I would love to see plasmas ala SFB. Do you mean that the size is reduced by 1 each end phase?
Well, that's the impression I'm getting. There's nothing that says that seekers have to represent groups of projectiles.
Dan used a program called DOGA L3 for the graphics. It's capable of more realistic-looking results, but Dan wanted that 'anime' look - and I think he got it. I tried to nudge him a bit away from that, but he felt it fit in with the theme of the earlier releases this way I think.
Anime? I actually got a bit more of a Freespace/SW vibe from the graphics, myself. Mmm... Freespace...
It took me a little while for my mind to register the change to the default fighter flights, but it's all right; The new small-craft options are going to be recieving some real playing with over the next few days, that's for sure.
The new damage tracks look just fine to me, and I especially like how its no longer possible to put a low-thrust ship down to pillbox status with a couple of lucky hits.
Haven't played around enough with the new weapon abilities yet, more on that, later.
Consolidating all of the non-combat capacity of a vessel into one category really does make sense, same goes for marines. If you want them to go somewhere, you have to buy them a ride.
Well, why not?
Judgement-Class system control vessel.
As the Earth League slowly expanded its authority over the various civilized worlds within its sphere of influence, it realized that the colonial days were over- As soon as planets became self-sufficient, their governors became more and more belligerent, so Earth began a program known as the "Friendly Reminder" Project. As military fleets were needed to secure shipping lanes against pirates and other rogue, armed vessels, the navy would need a new kind of ship to ensure that planetary governors knew just who was in charge of the galaxy.
The result of this was the Judgement-Class system control ship, a vessel the size of a large cruiser, but built for the express purpose of keeping tabs on potentially troublesome officials or unruly populations. Its bays are fillied with troops and their armored vehicles, ready to deploy at a moments notice to suppress a planetary disturbance before it gets out of hand, and the wapons and defenses of the vessel itself are more than adequate to defeat any armed civilian craft or most sorts of raider vessels. New times require new vessels
Judgement-Class System control vessel (389)
Hull 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engine 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1 1
Shields: 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1
Weapons: X X X X Y Y
Armament:
X: Laser cannons: RNG 9, ACC 4+, 2/1/1
AB AB HJ HJ IK IK
Y: Fusion missiles: RNG 15, ACC 4+, 1/2/2, Double Damage.
GHI GHI
Other:
Transport Space: 200 (Troops and Vehicles)
Carrier space: 101 (See below)
Hyperdrive
Armor plating
Marines x4
Zephyr-class gunship.
Each vessel carries a flight of Zephyr gunships, well-protected attack craft armed with a variety of beams and short-ranged missiles for ground attack and light anti-shipping duties.
Zephyr-class (101)
Size: 4, Speed: 8 ACC: 4+, DEF: 3, 2/2/1.
I'm trying to order a PDF copy from rpgnow.com ... I have an account there but they don't recognize my password... I've tried the whole "forgotten password" routine and it says a new one is being sent by email ... nothing. I then try to create a new account, I place the file into my cart, give my credit card number, the order is CONFIRMED .... THEN they tell me I must wait for my password to download the PDF file. I never got the new password either.
Well... don't order from rpgnow... they'll screw you over. :evil:
That's... Really odd. I got my PDF through them with no hassle.
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