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Railgun 1
Standard Paricle Beam 1
Medium Pulse Cannon 2
Light Pulse Cannon 2
Heavy Pulse Cannon 2
Light Plasma Cannon 1
Medium Plasma Cannon 1
Heavy Plasma Cannon 1
Class-S Missile Rack 1
Class-L Missile Rack 1
Class-LR Missile Rack 1
Class-B Missile Rack 2
Light Laser Cannon 2
Medium Laser Cannon 2
Heavy Laser Cannon 2
Class-A Missile Rack 2
Medium Laser Pulse Array 1
Particle Cannon 1
Heavy Laser Pulse Array 2
Light Molecular Slicer Beam 2
Heavy Phasing Pulse Cannon 2
Lt Multiphased Cutter 1
Hey, thanks for this ideas. Based on them, I converted most ships from the first ship compendium.
The slw on the missile launchers is perhaps a remnant from my time with B5 ACTA. Also, I needed something to make the LR Racks of the upcoming o-sats something special. To tell the truth, I quite not in the BAS thing presently. For me, it feels a bit like the old rof, but only contribution dice.
Unless mistaken, raking weapons like laser are Rpt?
Yes, presently they are. I'm still looking for something to make them more like a beam. Also, I quite not sure how to make a particle cannon significantly different to a medium laser 
.
Oops, now in the right location:
So I finally got my hands on the new Nova Edition.
[update]
Its finally done. The core EA ships are done. I attached them to my new post.
So I finally got my hands on the new Nova Edition. As much has changed, I still presently assessing how to convert some weapons, especially most of the heavy beam weapons who used to be raking. Therefore, I present you the first few ships of my conversion. Please comment them and my take on the weapons.
:ugeek:
You could either shut off the jammer for the game or go without the molecular pulsars. Both did not work back in B5W. And if the Laser was destroyer the jammer would go offline as the laser would still use its power. Strange, but it worked this way. Also, from a fluff point of view, the WS was created fighting Firts Ones. Why use a Jammer which would be ignored by them (granted you would not take them after beating them in the face to conquer the whole galaxie. How new? 
)
Just a question on the conversion of the Whitestar. Why does it have stealth? Is it based on the one from B5 Wars, which was never able to power the jammer and the neutron laser at the same time? Perhaps simply removing stealth may help a bit. Call me a heretic, but using a jammer against a foe (mainly shadows, but later vorlons too) which both simply ignored it according to B5W makes no sense to me.
I opened a new threat and uploaded them. The files work now. 
Welcome to the forums and to Starmada. For your information, there are several B5 conversions in the file section, based on B5 Wars, ActA among other things. Perhaphs you can look there for some ideas?
I've had some time now to browse some forums. It seems that the new reaser in its present version has problems opening some older pdf-files. It takes much longer.
So, :cry: nothing until now. I already tried reinstalling but the problem is still there.
Hello, I installed Adobe Reader 10.1 .0. After installing, most of my pdf files work as normal. Just some, including the Starmada books open very slowly. At first glance it seems if the Reader crashed, but after 10 or so seconds it opens the file :? . When I'm then in Adobe 10 it opens as fast as usual.
Do you have any idea why this happens or if this can be corrected`
So, had anyone time to play some games by now?
Merry Christmas and a happy new year!
As a side node, fighter exclusive on the other hand does not grand that much advantage and not even cancels the additional difficulty for shooting at fighters. Perhaps this could also be adjusted?
Sorry to do some threat necromancy here, but has there been a clarification on making two turns in the same direktion and making a u-turn altogether? Presently they are identical although a u-turn enables for an extra facing change.
Or is this intentional?
So, that for now. So, what do you think?
And now on to Wing Commander - Prophecy:
Type: PIRANHA-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION LIGHT FIGHTER (112)
Hull: 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 9 8 6 5 3 2
Shields: [TL0] 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VZ] 2:[WZ] 3:[WZ] 4:[XZ] 5:[Y] 6:[Y]
Battery V: Laser Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1,
[G]
Battery W: Ion Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/1,
[G] [G]
Battery X: Stormfire Mk. II, 2/4/6, 3/4+/1/2,
Ammo: 20
[G]
Battery Y: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 2
[G] [G]
Battery Z: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
[G] [G]
Type: TIGERSHARK-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION MEDIUM FIGHTER (130)
Hull: 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 9 8 7 6 4 3 2
Shields: [TL0] 3 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VZ] 2:[V] 3:[W] 4:[W] 5:[X] 6:[Y]
Battery V: Laser Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1,
[G] [G]
Battery W: Mode1: Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 2/4+/1/2,
Mode2: Charged Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 1/4+/1/4, Slow-Firing; Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery X: Rocket Pod, 2/4/6, 4/4+/1/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 20
[G]
Battery Y: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
[G]
Battery Z: Pilum Friend or Foe, 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/1, Piercing +1; No Range Mods
Ammo: 2
[G]
Type: WASP-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION INTERCEPTOR (132)
Hull: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VZ] 2:[V] 3:[W] 4:[W] 5:[X] 6:[Y]
Battery V: Tachyon Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery W: Mode1: Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 2/4+/1/2,
Mode2: Charged Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 1/4+/1/4, Slow-Firing; Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery X: Swarmer Pod, 3/6/9, 1/4+/4/2,
Ammo: 6
[G]
Battery Y: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 6
[G]
Battery Z: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Ammo: 2
[G]
Special: [TL0] Overthrusters
Type: PANTHER-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION HEAVY FIGHTER (123)
Hull: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[V] 2:[V] 3:[W] 4:[W] 5:[X] 6:[Y]
Battery V: Tachyon Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery W: Ion Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/1,
[G] [G]
Battery X: Pilum Friend or Foe, 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/1, Piercing +1; No Range Mods
Ammo: 6
[G]
Battery Y: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 6
[G]
Type: VAMPIRE-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION HEAVY FIGHTER (172)
Hull: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 8 8 7 6 5 4 4 3 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VY] 2:[V] 3:[V] 4:[W] 5:[W] 6:[X]
Battery V: Tachyon Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Piercing +1
[G] [G] [G] [G]
Battery W: Particle Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Extra Hull Damage
[G] [G]
Battery X: Pilum Friend or Foe, 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/1, Piercing +1; No Range Mods
[G]
Battery Y: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
[G]
Type: SHRIKE-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION LIGHT BOMBER (238)
Hull: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 7 7 6 5 4 4 3 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VZ] 2:[V] 3:[W] 4:[W] 5:[X] 6:[Y]
Battery V: Mode1: Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 2/4+/1/2,
Mode2: Charged Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 1/4+/1/4, Slow-Firing; Piercing +1
[G] [G] [G]
Battery W: Particle Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Extra Hull Damage
[G] [G]
Battery X: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
[G]
Battery Y: Rocket Pod, 2/4/6, 4/4+/1/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 30
[G]
Battery Z: Dart Dumbfire, 4/8/12, 1/4+/4/1,
Ammo: 4
[G]
Special: [TL0] Anti-Fighter Batteries (8)
Type: DEVASTATOR-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION BOMBER (326)
Hull: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 6 6 5 5 4 3 3 2 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VY] 2:[WZ] 3:[W] 4:[W] 5:[X] 6:[X]
Battery V: Heavy Plasma Gun, 3/6/9, 1/5+/4/2, Extra Hull Damage
[G]
Battery W: Laser Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1,
[AB] [CEF] [DER] [JKL] [GHI]
Battery X: Stormfire Mk. II, 2/4/6, 3/4+/1/2,
Ammo: 30
[G] [G]
Battery Y: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 6
[G]
Battery Z: Pilum Friend or Foe, 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/1, Piercing +1; No Range Mods
Ammo: 6
[G]
Special: [TL0] Anti-Fighter Batteries (6)
And something from WC 4: The Price of Freedom
Type: BANSHEE-class BORDER WORLDS LIGHT FIGHTER (90)
Hull: 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 9 8 6 5 3 2
Shields: [TL0] 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[VX] 3:[VX] 4:[V] 5:[W] 6:[X]
Battery V: Laser Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1,
[G] [G] [G] [G]
Battery W: Mode1: Scatter Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/5/1,
Mode2: Leech Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/4, No Hull Damage; Non-Piercing -1
[G]
Battery X: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Ammo: 8
Type: VINDICATOR-class BORDER WORLDS Medium FIGHTER (127)
Hull: 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 8 7 6 5 4 3 2
Shields: [TL0] 3 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[VX] 3:[VY] 4:[VZ] 5:[WZ] 6:[W]
Battery V: Laser Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1,
[G] [G] [H] [H]
Battery W: Tachyon Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery X: Stormfire, 2/4/6, 4/4+/1/1,
Ammo: 30
[G] [G]
Battery Y: Leech Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/4, No Hull Damage; Non-Piercing -1
[G]
Battery Z: Pilum Friend or Foe, 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/1, Piercing +1; No Range Mods
Ammo: 6
[G] [G]
Type: AVENGER-class BORDER WORLDS BOMBER (182)
Hull: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 7 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[VY] 3:[VY] 4:[WZ] 5:[WZ] 6:[X]
Battery V: Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 2/4+/1/2,
[G] [G] [H] [H]
Battery W: Photon Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/1,
[G] [G]
Battery X: Leech Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/4, No Hull Damage; Non-Piercing -1
[G] [G]
Battery Y: Stormfire, 2/4/6, 4/4+/1/1,
Ammo: 30
[G] [G]
Battery Z: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 8
And something in between:
Type: BEARCAT-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION HEAVY FIGHTER (149)
Hull: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL1] 10 9 8 7 5 4 3 2
Shields: [TL0] 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[V] 3:[V] 4:[W] 5:[W] 6:[X]
Battery V: Tachyon Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Piercing +1
[G] [G] [G] [G]
Battery W: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
[G] [G]
Battery X: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
[G] [G]
Type: DRAGON-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION HEAVY FIGHTER (230)
Hull: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL1] 9 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL1] 1:[VY] 2:[VY] 3:[WZ] 4:[WZ] 5:[X] 6:[X]
Battery V: Tachyon Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery W: Plasma Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/2, Carronade; Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
[G] [G]
Battery X: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
[G] [G]
Battery Y: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 6
[G] [G]
Battery Z: Fission Cannon, 2/4/6, 1/4+/2/3, Piercing +1; Slow-Firing
[G] [G]
Special: [TL0] Fire Control; Cloaking Device
What is your general idea of the ships you will play with? Piercing +3 as well as Ignores Shields make the shield value of 2 on your destroyer somewhat usesless and only shield values of 5 or better would offer any defense at all. Also, as it seems, you are using mainly turreted weapons. Perhaps a restriction in arc but more weapons would be usefull taking into account weapons going offline due to damage.
Please note that only equipment is noted that will effect dogfight. Torpedoes are not involved by now.
Enjoy and please comment. :geek:
The Kilrathi Empire;
Type: DARKET-class KILRATHI EMPIRE LIGHT FIGHTER (40)
Hull: 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 12 8 4
Shields: [TL0] 2 2 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[V] 2:[V] 3:[V] 4:[V] 5:[W] 6:[W]
Battery V: Meson Blaster, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1, Extra Hull Damage; Non-Piercing -1
[G] [G]
Battery W: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Ammo: 2
Type: DRALTHI IV-class KILRATHI EMPIRE MEDIUM FIGHTER (62)
Hull: 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 10 8 6 4 2
Shields: [TL0] 2 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[V] 3:[V] 4:[W] 5:[W] 6:[X]
Battery V: Meson Blaster, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1, Extra Hull Damage; Non-Piercing -1
[G] [G]
Battery W: Particle Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Extra Hull Damage
[G]
Battery X: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
Type: VAKTOTH-class KILRATHI EMPIRE HEAVY FIGHTER (135)
Hull: 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL1] 8 7 6 5 4 3 2
Shields: [TL0] 3 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VXZ] 2:[VX] 3:[WX] 4:[WX] 5:[2X] 6:[XY]
Battery V: Plasma Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/2, Carronade; Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery W: Tachyon Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery X: Meson Blaster, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1, Extra Hull Damage; Non-Piercing -1
[H] [H] [H] [H] [G] [G] [G] [G]
Battery Y: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
[G]
Battery Z: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
Type: PAKTHAN-class KILRATHI EMPIRE BOMBER (226)
Hull: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 7 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 5 5 4 4 3 2 2 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[VY] 3:[VZ] 4:[W] 5:[W] 6:[X]
Battery V: Plasma Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/2, Carronade; Piercing +1
[G] [G] [G] [G]
Battery W: Ion Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/1,
[G] [G]
Battery X: Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 2/4+/1/2,
[H] [H]
Battery Y: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
[G]
Battery Z: Mine, 1/2/3, 1/3+/2/2, Area Effect; No Range Mods
Type: STRAKHA-class KILRATHI EMPIRE STEALTH FIGHTER (63)
Hull: 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 10 8 5 3
Shields: [TL0] 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[VX] 3:[V] 4:[W] 5:[W] 6:[W]
Battery V: Meson Blaster, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1, Extra Hull Damage; Non-Piercing -1
[G] [G]
Battery W: Laser Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1,
[G] [G]
Battery X: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Special: [TL0] Cloaking Device
And here the full WC 3 fighters:
Terran Confederation:
Type: ARROW IV-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION LIGHT FIGHTER (72)
Hull: 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 10 8 6 4 2
Shields: [TL0] 3 3 2 2 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[VX] 3:[VY] 4:[WY] 5:[W] 6:[W]
Battery V: Laser Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1,
[G] [G]
Battery W: Ion Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/1,
[G] [G]
Battery X: Dart Dumbfire, 4/8/12, 1/4+/4/1,
Ammo: 4
[G]
Battery Y: Javelin Heat-Seeker, 4/8/12, 1/4+/3/1, Doubled Range Mods; Piercing +1
Ammo: 4
Type: HELLCAT V-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION MEDIUM FIGHTER (79)
Hull: 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 8 7 6 4 3 2
Shields: [TL0] 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[V] 2:[V] 3:[W] 4:[W] 5:[X] 6:[X]
Battery V: Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 2/4+/1/2,
[G] [G]
Battery W: Ion Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/1,
[G] [G]
Battery X: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 6
Type: THUNDERBOLT VII-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION HEAVY FIGHTER (145)
Hull: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VY] 2:[VY] 3:[WZ] 4:[WZ] 5:[X] 6:[X]
Battery V: Plasma Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/2, Carronade; Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery W: Photon Cannon, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/1,
[G] [G]
Battery X: Meson Blaster, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1, Extra Hull Damage; Non-Piercing -1
[G] [G]
Battery Y: Mass Driver, 2/4/6, 2/4+/1/2,
[H] [H]
Battery Z: Pilum Friend or Foe, 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/1, Piercing +1; No Range Mods
Ammo: 6
Type: LONGBOW-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION BOMBER (231)
Hull: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL0] 6 6 5 5 4 3 3 2 2 1
Shields: [TL0] 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[VY] 3:[WY] 4:[W] 5:[W] 6:[X]
Battery V: Plasma Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/2/2, Carronade; Piercing +1
[G] [G]
Battery W: Neutron Gun, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Carronade
[G] [G] [H] [H]
Battery X: Pilum Friend or Foe, 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/1, Piercing +1; No Range Mods
Ammo: 6
[G] [G]
Battery Y: Mine, 1/2/3, 1/3+/2/2, Area Effect; No Range Mods
Ammo: 12
Type: EXCALIBUR-class TERRAN CONFEDERATION HEAVY FIGHTER (183)
Hull: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL1] 10 9 8 7 5 4 3 2
Shields: [TL0] 3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[VY] 3:[WY] 4:[W] 5:[W] 6:[X]
Battery V: Reaper Cannon, 3/6/9, 2/4+/2/1,
[G] [G]
Battery W: Tachyon Gun, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/2, Piercing +1
[G] [G] [G] [G]
Battery X: Spiculum Image Recognition, 4/8/12, 1/3+/2/1, Piercing +1
Ammo: 6
[G] [G]
Battery Y: Pilum Friend or Foe, 4/8/12, 1/4+/2/1, Piercing +1; No Range Mods
Ammo: 6
Special: [TL0] Fire Control; Countermeasures
Yeah, I used the stats from wcsaga and wcnews to come near the weapons, but I'm a bit unsure of rof. 
Yeah, that's when I have time I'll post the remaining ConFed and Kilrathi fighters. Odd enought, the Hellcat should have had Hull 6. I'll correct that. Oddly enough, the Hellcat is only 1 ton heavier than an Arrow but 6 ton lighter than a Thunderbolt VII. :?
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